Why do we need less tears? Sadness is a part of life. If there is a danger to our society, it's not sadness but indifference, ignorance and even cruelty. Assholes are a bigger problem than sad people.
"Take your (...) hippy dream world, I'll take reality and earning my happiness with my own efforts" - Barkey
The question is, when does diplomacy and friendly negotiation count as an exhausted option? If you're willing to do it the 21st time, when the hell do you stop? How many times do you try before people realize that enough is enough, and that peace and love just isn't up to snuff?
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Exactly. Find out what causes the tears and fix the problem, regardless of if the solution is with love, or with force.
edited 4th Jul '11 3:02:59 AM by Barkey
Nihilist Hippie
Yeah right. You tell me torture, rape, genocide, and and all the other shit that we are talking about shouldn't be reduced one iota? That's fucking crazy.
"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom
Your interpretation of my post was fucking crazy.
"Take your (...) hippy dream world, I'll take reality and earning my happiness with my own efforts" - Barkey
Sneering Imperialist
How on earth did you infer that from nzm 1536's post?
ninja'd
edited 4th Jul '11 3:08:02 AM by pagad
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.
Nihilist Hippie
Well that was meant by "tears". It's pretty obvious we aren't talking about whiny cry babies here.
"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom
There's a difference between accepting realistically that sadness is a part of life, and apathy towards it. Quite the opposite.
What nzm seemed to mean is that we need to acknowledge that it will never go away completely, he never said anything to infer that we should ignore the cause and not try to solve our problems.
Nihilist Hippie
Yes, but he said "Why do we need less tears?"
"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom
LH is right, I am a puppy-punching kitten-kicker who Eats Babies.
"Take your (...) hippy dream world, I'll take reality and earning my happiness with my own efforts" - Barkey
Nihilist Hippie
Zzzzzzzzzz
Talk about the topic, not each other.
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
Nihilist Hippie
We need love drugs. If everyone was all loved up from drugs the world would be a far nicer place.
"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom
Drugged up world with medicated emotions is not what life is about. There is no place for conflict, no place for real love, no place for self-development and no pace for actually living in it.
"Take your (...) hippy dream world, I'll take reality and earning my happiness with my own efforts" - Barkey
Nihilist Hippie
Life right now is mediocre at best.
Good.
It's all just chemicals in your brain either way.
Certain drugs can be very conducive for self-development, including empathogens.
And a world where everyone's loved up would certainly be livable.
edited 4th Jul '11 8:00:52 AM by LoveHappiness
"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom
>Life right now is mediocre at best.
Trading mediocre for fake is not a good idea.
>Good.
No. Conflict and differences are basically what created everything. Any story you read has some kind of conflict, and if it didn't it would be boring. Conflict is a source of self-development and improvement. It has to be.
>It's all just chemicals in your brain either way.
If you want to go with sociobiological interpretation of everything.
>Certain drugs can be very conducive for self-development, including empathogens.
In certain doses and not when you take them all the time
>And a world where everyone's loved up would certainly be livable.
Maybe for you
"Take your (...) hippy dream world, I'll take reality and earning my happiness with my own efforts" - Barkey
Nihilist Hippie
Who says it's fake?
Stories ain't real life. I say cooperation is a source of self-development and improvement, and conflict causes people to become petty.
Yes.
Well then we need to fix that so we can safely and effectively take love drugs all the time.
More like for everyone involved.
"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom
>Who says it's fake?
What you do when intoxicated is not authentic
>Stories ain't real life. I say cooperation is a source of self-development and improvement, and conflict causes people to become petty.
People need motivation to do things
>Yes.
Try accepting and understanding the different worldview
>Well then we need to fix that so we can safely and effectively take love drugs all the time.
You Fail Chemistry Forever. Also, you won't experience positive effect of a psychoactive substance without outside stimmuli and earlier knowledge. Not to mention the fact that you can develop tolerance towards the substance and stop noticing its effects. Or simply lose the ability to feel emotions generated by it without it
>More like for everyone involved.
No, you are projecting your worldview onto everyone else.
"Take your (...) hippy dream world, I'll take reality and earning my happiness with my own efforts" - Barkey
Nihilist Hippie
"Authentic"?
This motivation doesn't have to be based off of harming other people.
Which one?
Who says this is impossible?
No I am not. I can tell you a world where most everyone is in love with each other would be a great world to live in. If anybody's going to be miserable, it would people who don't take the drugs.
"Had Mother Nature been a real parent, she would have been in jail for child abuse and murder." -Nick Bostrom
>"Authentic"?
It's semantic time!
>This motivation doesn't have to be based off of harming other people.
That's not what I meant by 'conflict' at least not entirely
>Which one?
Any. As you see, your ideas are not widely accepted by everyone
>Who says this is impossible?
The way our body works
>No I am not. I can tell you a world where most everyone is in love with each other would be a great world to live in. If anybody's going to be miserable, it would people who don't take the drugs.
You'd find tons of people not wanting to take those drugs for one or another reason
"Take your (...) hippy dream world, I'll take reality and earning my happiness with my own efforts" - Barkey
This foreboding is fa...
edited 4th Jul '11 9:09:24 AM by deathjavu
Look, you can't make me speak in a logical, coherent, intelligent bananna.
Pro-Freedom Fanatic
@nzm:
Some of the stuff we do when intoxicated is authentic. I've written stuff, had good ideas, started relationships, sung reasonably well, played bass decently, passed school tests and gotten good scores at multiplayer games while stoned out of my skull (and often sorta drunk to boot).
Not everything you do on drugs is fake. 
Sure, I'm not for complete abstinence. Keep in mind that LH proposed drugs that would change all your emotions and your whole personality though
edited 4th Jul '11 11:10:37 AM by nzm1536
"Take your (...) hippy dream world, I'll take reality and earning my happiness with my own efforts" - Barkey
Jackass Detector
I'm pretty sure my parents were wasted when they made me and I'm fairly sure I'm real.
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.
> tldr: Words don't always work. It's great when they do, but you have to be ready to switch gears and take action when it's clear that it's no longer an option.
agree with this. but a lot of people switch gears even if the option still exist.
> More practical than "They didn't listen the last 20 times, so lets try a 21st time!"
sometime changing situation does make it succeed in 21st time. northern ireland problem have reduced intensity and successful peace when both sides have economic boom and become secularized.
> Diplomacy, friendship, and negotiation are all great things that I don't want to downplay here, but sometimes they don't work, and nobody seems to ever consider any other routes to problem solving as legitimate. The more peaceful and friendly a solution you can find to a problem, the better, but it isn't realistic to expect all of our problems to be solved by such means.
agree with this, but the "Diplomacy, friendship, and negotiation" route should be exhausted first, before changing gears to calculated violence
> Sometimes you just have to put on your hip waders and stride into the shit, and I see less and less people recognizing that these days. We have a whole lot of talkers, very few facilitators, and when someone actually does take action, all the talkers want to sit on the sidelines and complain about how the results were achieved.
we have different opinion of this, i think in a lot of case people goes to violence first rather than delay it.