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Spinned off from the British Politics Thread. Basically a thread where we talk about news and politics that affect Europe as a whole rather than certain countries in it.

Anyway BBC News section for Europe Based news.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 9th 2024 at 3:24:05 PM

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#1626: Mar 14th 2015 at 6:24:39 PM

The question is, will this be enough to piss the people off into voting in a pro-EU party?

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#1627: Mar 14th 2015 at 6:55:34 PM

[up]It's a possibility, but that will only happen if the growth stops.

@Dougsh: Interesting. Where do you get your sources about Iceland stuff, btw?

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#1628: Mar 15th 2015 at 1:16:15 AM

[up] I am Icelandic, so... by just watching the local news and speaking with my fellow countrymen. Most of it's in Icelandic, though.

[up][up] Out of the two governing parties, the Independence Party still has a pretty strong following. The Progressive Party, which includes Prime Minister Sigmundur David, currently has the lowest approval rating of any major party because of this and some other issues.

Support of EU (or at least, checking what the EU has of offer) has increased considerably as a backlash against the government for doing this. The great irony is, though, that if they'd held a referendum in the first place, they'd probably have gotten their way anyway. And even if they'd lost the referendum and not been able to formally terminate the negotiations, they weren't even under any obligation to continue pursuing them either. Going about it in this manner has gained them nothing except making people hate them.

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#1629: Mar 15th 2015 at 8:32:22 AM

I am Icelandic, so... by just watching the local news and speaking with my fellow countrymen. Most of it's in Icelandic, though.

Ah, I didn't know that.smile I would like to work and live in your nation someday (if there's no problem - I assume you're not against immigrants), though your language is a bit difficult (I know we have to speak the language to work in your land, no exceptions allowed). Hope your economy finishes the recovery process better (and perhaps even faster) than we in the EU.[tup]

When will your next legislative elections gonna happen?

Speaking of your nation's political parties, one of us in these forums is gonna have to update the Standard European Political Landscape page, since there's no mention of Iceland.

edited 15th Mar '15 8:35:17 AM by Quag15

DrDougsh Since: Jan, 2001
#1630: Mar 17th 2015 at 4:37:54 AM

I'm not aware of any law insisting that you have to speak Icelandic to get a job here.

The next elections are about two years away.

Incidentally, this is a pretty good news site for Icelandic affairs, maintained by Icelanders but written in English: http://grapevine.is/news/

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#1631: Mar 17th 2015 at 7:26:08 AM

I'm not aware of any law insisting that you have to speak Icelandic to get a job here.

Really? I must have been looking in the wrong job centers online.

Thanks for the link.smile[tup]

And, speaking of immigrants, looks like there's a new 'Christian Party' in the works, which has some similarities with UKIP (replace 'leave the EU' with 'leave Schengen').

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#1632: Mar 18th 2015 at 7:00:12 PM

Doublepost. Not sure if this is worhty of being here or of having a thread in the Live-Action Film subforum, but... An Angela Merkel biopic will be coming out in 2017, the year of German presidential and parliamentary elections.

edited 18th Mar '15 7:00:50 PM by Quag15

Uchuujinsan Since: Oct, 2009
#1633: Mar 18th 2015 at 10:27:57 PM

I think I need to share this somwhere, and as it is not directly about the Greek financial crisis, I think it's fitting here. English subtitles start 3 minutes in.

Background: In the German boulevard press there was a "scandal" of Varoufakis showing the middle finger to Germany. Varoufakis claimed the video was doctored, and well, about that... ;)

Some claim it's a fake fake, but decide for yourself. Hilarious nonetheless.

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#1634: Mar 19th 2015 at 2:59:40 AM

I've more or less given up about german media reporting about the whole thing. Feels too much like emotional headlines than real news reporting.

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#1635: Mar 21st 2015 at 1:35:06 AM

If you think all is well in Sweden — Sweden shooting puts focus on life in 'ghettoes without hope'

As drinkers watched the final minutes of the Barcelona versus Manchester City football match in the Vår bar in Gothenburg on Wednesday night, all hell broke loose. Two masked men opened fire with automatic weapons, killing two and injuring a dozen more. The city hospital pleaded for blood donors to come forward as it struggled to save the wounded.

Petar Petrovic, 20, a Swede of Serbian origin, died in the storm of bullets. A DJ at the bar, he was due to start university in London this year.

The other dead man, aged 25, was a leading figure in a local gang, the Vårvädersligan, named after the square where the shootings took place. With a string of convictions, including drug offences, he had only recently left jail, according to press reports. Police declined to confirm or deny any details about the man.

Sweden has been shocked by the barbarity and indiscriminate nature of the Gothenburg shootings. Gang violence has featured occasionally in local news, but this was the first time an innocent bystander had been killed. Regional police chief Klas Friberg called it a “heartless attack with no human feeling”.

The tragedy has also shone a spotlight on a hidden aspect of Swedish society that reads like the sub-plot of a Stieg Larsson novel, in which poverty, racism and segregation are driving young men from immigrant backgrounds into gangs and gun crime.

A few days before the shooting, police had arrested another member of the gang after he was observed in a railway station handing over a shoebox stuffed with 500,000 krona (£39,000). A third figure in the gang had left the Vår bar shortly before the shooting took place.

The killings broke a nine-month period of relative calm in Gothenburg. After a double murder in early 2013, police poured resources into Biskopsgården, the deprived borough where Wednesday’s killings took place, which has high levels of recent immigration and overcrowding. Entitled operation Safe Gothenburg, the police targeted nine gangs across the city involved in turf wars over drugs, weapons and contraband.

They confiscated 200 firearms, including 50 machine-guns, and 30kg of plastic explosives. After 57 shooting incidents and eight fatalities in 2013, there were four deaths last year, while arrests led to the jailing of key gang leaders. The trend seemed to be clear.

In December, a dozen members of the Bergsjö gang were jailed and only last month, the leader of Bulls motorcycle gang started a 10-year sentence for violence. He had an earlier conviction for “crucifying” a man by strapping his wrists to a plank and leaving him hanging.

However, fears of a flare-up of gang crime lingered when the leader of the Bandidos gang was released from jail last summer after a seven-year sentence for a bomb attack.

“We have groups that are really marginalised, cut off from mainstream society, dropouts with no work,” says Sven-Åke Lindgren, professor of sociology at Gothenburg university who last year authored a report on gang crime. He sees Wednesday’s attack as a show of power in a battle for supremacy between gangs.

“These are ‘radical losers’, more desperate, more angry and frustrated, who are prepared to use weapons and violence that is really shocking to Swedish society, to compensate for their loss of status,” Prof Lindgren said.

Gang crime is not confined to Gothenburg – 22 Swedish cities are affected, said Magnus Lindgren of the Safer Sweden Foundation. This is a “new Sweden”, he said, which means new methods of crime fighting are needed.

“The main problem is the Swedish model of crime prevention which dates from the 1960s, trying to build a good society with good education and child care. That’s all very well, but we are fighting the crimes of yesterday, not necessarily the crimes of today or tomorrow.”

Friberg, the police chief, said police were working “to do as much harm to the individual criminals as we can” while trying to halt the trade in illegal weapons. Interior minister Anders Ygeman called for a doubling of sentences for gun crime.

In Biskopsgården on Friday, small groups of people came to lay flowers in front of the Vårs bar in the middle of a small shopping precinct. There was also a sense of fear – the library was quiet because parents had kept their children at home, locals said.

“This is a ghetto,” said Nora, 25, who was born of Saudi parents who moved to Biskopsgården when she was just a few months old. “There is racism and young people can’t get jobs; they feel they have no future in Swedish society.”

Now studying to be a nurse, she is worried what may happen to her brother, aged 10, when he gets a little older. “The gangs make boys feel like family, they look after them,” she said. She wants her brother to go to a school outside the borough where there is no drug dealing.

Katarina Despotovic, a researcher who has chronicled what she calls the neglect of boroughs such as Biskopsgården, said Gothenburg was concentrating resources in the city centre, creating suburban satellites “that no one cares about”.

“I love this area and its people, but we have a problem with young people feeling they can’t share the dreams and aspirations of the majority,” said Ulrika Stöök, 45, who works for the local council in Biskopsgården. “We need to give young people hope. We can do a few things locally but now we need help.”

On Friday night, the two killers were still at large.

It's not quite the Liberal paradise beloved by the American Left, and those Scandinavian Crime Dramas have to come from somewhere...

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#1637: Mar 21st 2015 at 4:11:06 AM

Do what?

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#1638: Mar 21st 2015 at 5:11:10 AM

[up] Blue marking, link, then quoteblock.

Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#1639: Mar 21st 2015 at 5:15:41 AM

Take a look at the Text-Formatting Rules, which has instructions for formatting all three and more...

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JonnasN from Porto, Portugal Since: Jul, 2012
#1640: Mar 21st 2015 at 5:45:19 AM

[up]x5

Not necessarily the American left, scandinavia is usually seen as an awesome society by the rest of Europe.

Kayeka Since: Dec, 2009
#1641: Mar 21st 2015 at 8:39:34 AM

[up]Not perfect, mind, but generally a good place to take cues from.

QueenPanic from Dublin Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: Heisenberg unreliable
#1642: Mar 21st 2015 at 10:56:21 AM

In fairness, just because it's not a perfect society doesn't mean it's not a good one, or a better society than other countries have.

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#1643: Mar 21st 2015 at 2:25:51 PM

I'd just like to point out that this case drew so much media attention because it's so very rare in Nordic countries to have a bystander hurt or killed in gang-related crime. I wonder what our headlines would look like if such cases would make international news every time they happened in the US or France - or Russia.

edited 21st Mar '15 2:26:30 PM by BestOf

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#1644: Mar 22nd 2015 at 12:18:54 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32006268

Can anything be done at this point or are we basically guaranteed to see France run by fascists in a few years?

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#1645: Mar 22nd 2015 at 12:41:50 AM

In 2017, it's pretty much guaranteed that either the Front National or the UMP again will win, our so-called "socialist" government has been handing them the election on a silver platter.

I'm not sure which will be worse.

edited 22nd Mar '15 12:42:15 AM by Medinoc

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#1646: Mar 22nd 2015 at 12:58:26 AM

Is UMP really that scary? They don't seem much different than their counterparts in London or Berlin.

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Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#1647: Mar 22nd 2015 at 1:27:16 AM

The UMP is the "steal from the poor to feed the rich" government that's spent the last 17 (well, okay, more like five-plus; Chirac was not that bad) years making liberticide laws in addition to that. Sarkozy getting a second mandate would be a total disaster.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#1648: Mar 22nd 2015 at 1:51:20 AM

Wonder what kind of job Hollande will get with the EU after he flops the election? Because that's the important thing.

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#1649: Mar 22nd 2015 at 2:04:37 AM

[up] Not really. The EU is the place where people get Kicked Upstairs.

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#1650: Mar 22nd 2015 at 2:35:14 AM

By people who then complain about the directives from upstairs...

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