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Spinned off from the British Politics Thread. Basically a thread where we talk about news and politics that affect Europe as a whole rather than certain countries in it.

Anyway BBC News section for Europe Based news.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jan 9th 2024 at 3:24:05 PM

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#1476: Dec 4th 2014 at 8:20:51 AM

I think part of that is because we haven't seen a country actually run by this "new right" yet. I suspect that it would end in a crash and burn disaster if it happened, though.

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#1477: Dec 4th 2014 at 10:13:55 AM

Heh, good to know that it's not only the Wild East (or the Middle-Eastern Europe, as I prefer to call it) that's screwed. :D

And I'm laughing at the fact that the Greek neo-nazis got dragged out of the Parliament in handcuffs.

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#1478: Dec 4th 2014 at 10:36:15 AM

Meh, in the case of the greeks, it will be the radicals in general who will profit.

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#1479: Dec 4th 2014 at 1:11:45 PM

Wouldn't mind if all the right-wing nuts were dragged out of each country's Parliament in chains. Well, assuming they've actually committed a crime.

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#1480: Dec 11th 2014 at 4:23:44 AM

Google News Spain to close in response to story links 'tax'

Google is closing Google News in Spain and removing Spanish media outlets from the service following a row with the country’s government over new legislation aimed at protecting local publishers that requires the search company to pay for using their content.

The tech giant announced late on Wednesday that Google News would close in Spain on 16 December. A spokeswoman said she was “incredibly sad” to announce the company was shutting the service.

The Spanish government passed a new copyright law in October that imposes fees for online content aggregators such as Google News in an effort to protect the country’s print media industry. The law comes into effect in January.

Known popularly as the “Google Tax”, the law requires services that post links and excerpts of news articles to pay a fee to the Association of Editors of Spanish Dailies. It will also affect other news aggregators including Yahoo News. Authorities will have the power to fine websites up to €600,000 ($748,000) for linking to pirated content.

“This new legislation requires every Spanish publication to charge services like Google News for showing even the smallest snippet from their publications, whether they want to or not. As Google News itself makes no money (we do not show any advertising on the site) this new approach is simply not sustainable,” Richard Gingras, head of Google News, wrote in a blogpost.

He said Google was driving more than 10bn clicks to publisher websites every month and its Adsense product, which delivers ads to websites, paid out over $9bn to publishers last year, up from $7bn the year before. Google news is currently available in 70 international editions, covering 35 languages.

The Spanish law is one of a series of spats Google is now facing in Europe. European publishers including Axel Springer have accused the company of abusing its dominance in search and are pressing for action from the European parliament.

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Last month the parliament approved a motion calling for tougher regulation of internet search and suggested a break-up of Google to end its dominance in Europe.

Germany passed a similar law to Spain’s and Google removed newspapers from Google News in response but in October publishers reached an agreement with the company after traffic to their websites plummeted.

“For centuries publishers were limited in how widely they could distribute the printed page,” wrote Gingras. “The internet changed all that - creating tremendous opportunities but also real challenges for publishers as competition both for readers’ attention and for advertising euros increased.

“We’re committed to helping the news industry meet that challenge and look forward to continuing to work with our thousands of partners globally, as well as in Spain, to help them increase their online readership and revenues.”

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#1481: Dec 11th 2014 at 7:04:30 PM

[up]Not the best tactic, if only a couple of EU countries go with those kind of measures (and Germany had to back down a bit).

Luxembourg tax files: Juncker admits position weakened by scandal:

Juncker survived a no-confidence vote in the European Parliament last month following revelations that companies such as Shire and Icap engaged in legal manoeuvres to reduce their tax bills by channelling money through Luxembourg while he was finance minister and prime minister of the Grand Duchy.

Since the names of more multinationals including Disney emerged this week – suggesting Luxembourg encouraged industrial scale tax avoidance – Juncker has been struggling to keep a distance from the scandal.

In an interview with the French left-leaning daily newspaper Libération in the wake of the latest revelations, he broke his silence to admit it was personally damaging.

“Subjectively speaking, I’ve nothing to blame myself for any more than others have, and I should add that European governments have said nothing following these articles. But, objectively speaking, I am weakened because Lux Leaks suggests that I took part in operations that did not follow basic ethical and moral rules.

“There are many doubts in the minds of numerous Europeans and I’m profoundly sad about that,” Juncker told Libération.

Juncker said that in 1997 he tried to ensure that a code of good conduct “against harmful tax competition” was adopted by the European Council of Finance Ministers. He said: “I tried to go further by proposing a binding directive, but certain countries opposed it.”

He added: “I don’t think I should be treated in isolation, detached from the actions of others. This is not a noble excuse, but everyone was at fault because we did not react to the disparity between national fiscal norms that allow multinational societies to find a darkroom. The fight against tax evasion and fraud are among my 10 priorities since my election campaign: so it’s not following the Lux Leaks revelations that I have suddenly discovered the need for action. Then my sincerity was believed, now people believe me less, but I will prove that those who believe in me are right.”

Acknowledging that “the atmosphere” has changed with regard to taxation, he said: “Public opinion and especially the victims of austere or rigorous policies no longer accept, and rightly so, the nonchalance with which other actors in economic and social life are treated.

“As governments now claim that we must fight against evasion and tax fraud, I trust that nobody will be opposed to the adoption of tools that allow us to do what we say. A directive on the automatic exchange of information on planned tax rulings will be presented during the first half of 2015. We will see who objects to it.”

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#1482: Dec 11th 2014 at 7:25:42 PM

A directive on the automatic exchange of information on planned tax rulings will be presented during the first half of 2015. We will see who objects to it.

Well, Mr Juncker, I'll be very surprised if your country doesn't object to it. Everyone knows that Luxembourg is a tax haven and wants to stay that way, so forgive me for setting a very high bar for Mr Juncker to cross before I'll believe that he's genuinely against tax evasion.

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#1483: Dec 11th 2014 at 8:39:14 PM

I wonder if we could expel Luxembourg from the EU, maybe even sell it the City of London at the same time...

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#1484: Dec 12th 2014 at 4:09:33 AM

   ANSCHLUSS ZEIT   

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#1485: Dec 12th 2014 at 4:12:40 AM

....*Dopeslaps Acha* NEIN! KEINE ANSCHLUSSZEIT!

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#1487: Dec 14th 2014 at 6:37:16 PM

This is interesting. The ruling coalition spokesman is speculating that Syriza will be blamed for "Greece falling into chaos" if they force an election over this. Maybe I'm missing a couple of steps in his logic but I'm not seeing it, unless it's "The EU will pull aid." And right now, I don't know whether Greece obeying Germany or telling them to fuck off is worse for Greece, but I'm favoring Germany being told to fuck off on general principles.

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#1488: Dec 14th 2014 at 6:45:47 PM

[up]The ruling coalition is basically doing Project Fear: the EU Edition.

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#1490: Dec 15th 2014 at 2:54:30 PM

And once again we have to deal with East Germany's failure to work up the bad old days -.-

fuck these guys and the brown shit that uses them as vehicle.

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#1491: Dec 15th 2014 at 3:08:15 PM

Fun fact, Saxony of which Dresden is the capital, has only a tiny foreign population (roughly 2%) and only a few thousand muslims... .

But yeah, one of the reasons why xenophobia is more prevalent in the former GDR is due to the East German negligence of dealing with our past.

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#1492: Dec 15th 2014 at 3:12:40 PM

The GDR is the gift that keeps on giving...

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#1493: Dec 15th 2014 at 3:18:34 PM

Isn't there a bigger unemployment rate or numbers in the former East Germany when compared to the former West?

If so, that might be another reason. The bigger the unemployment, the bigger the rise of extreme ideologies (regardless of them being far-left or far-right).

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#1494: Dec 16th 2014 at 7:43:18 AM

Yes. IIRC it's gotten better though.

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#1495: Dec 16th 2014 at 11:08:42 AM

There are indeed still problems yes, but then again it is not exactly all perfect in the west. Just compare e.g. the Ruhr Valley (suffering from the disappearence of the steel-indurstry) with the situation in South Germany (very low unemployment, lots of flourishing companies et al.)

Saxony for that matter is widely regarded as the most prosperous state in the former GDR and again, the e.g. beautifully rebuilt city-center of Dresden couldn't be more different from the crumbling cities in the Ruhr Valley.

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#1496: Dec 18th 2014 at 7:44:57 AM

Obesity could be deemed a disability in the EU

(Reuters) - Europe's top court ruled on Thursday that obese people can be considered as disabled, but stopped short of saying that obesity was a condition that needed specific protection under European anti-discrimination laws.

The landmark decision will be closely read by European employers and means that companies might have to provide greater support to obese staff.

The case was instigated by a Danish court, which wanted guidance over a complaint of unfair dismissal brought by a child-minder who was sacked by a local authority.

Karsten Kaltoft, who never weighed less than 160 kilogrammes (352 pounds) during his employment, argued that his obesity was one of the reasons he lost his job and that this amounted to unlawful discrimination — an allegation the council denied.

What do you think this could do for the employment issues? Maybe even health issues?

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#1497: Dec 18th 2014 at 7:56:54 AM

[up] Employment? Employers will have to make "Reasonable Adjustments" to accommodate them, such as reducing lifting, changing duties, changing seating etc. And that's not just employers — it's anywhere they might use as well.

edited 18th Dec '14 7:57:17 AM by Greenmantle

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#1498: Dec 18th 2014 at 8:09:01 AM

Would this make unemployment go down or would it have an adverse affect on productivity.

Honestly, I don't see how a person over 300lbs would be a good care giver of children due to the amount of physicality that would be required.

If this is considered a disability, would that mean they would have resources to get help for their condition or to slim down?

I would understand if you had some sort of thyroid condition that your obesity was a symptom of, then you could claim that, but if your obesity was due to poor life choices, could there be a provision to try and fix that like therapy sessions while you work out?

Europe has the reputation of taking care of their workers far better than the US so I'm just trying to understand their approach to this problem.

I know such a decision would be a complete disaster here in the States because most of our obesity problems are not symptoms of greater health issues, but rather a result of poor choices.

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#1500: Jan 6th 2015 at 4:19:56 AM

In Germany, after PEGIDA Marches Yesterday:

The joint condemnation of PEGIDA was published on the morning after the latest pro- and anti-PEGIDA demonstrations were held in a number of German cities.

Police in Dresden estimated that around 18,000 people had turned up to the demonstration organized by a group known as PEGIDA, or "Patriotic Europeans Against the Islamization of the West," on Monday evening, the largest number to turn up so far for the weekly rallies there.

Police in the eastern German city said around 3,000 people turned out to a counter-demonstration.

Similar rallies were held in other German cities on Monday night, including the capital, Berlin and the western city of Cologne, but in both cases the tables were turned on PEGIDA, with counter-demonstrators far outnumbering the anti-Islamist rallies.

The DPA news agency reported that around 5,000 demonstrated against PEGIDA in the capital, compared with several hundred supporters. Among the counter-demonstrators was Germany's justice minister, Heiko Maas, who tweeted pictures of the rally.

The city's authorities also ordered the lights that normally illuminate Brandenburg Gate to be turned off for the duration of the pro-PEGIDA demonstration.

Similarly, in Cologne, lights on the cathedral, which dominates the city's skyline, were ordered dimmed by the Roman Catholic church.

Cologne Cathedral Provost Norbert Feldhoff told private news broadcaster that the move was meant to make the demonstrators think twice about the cause they were supporting.

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