I've never searched for either.
More Buscemi at http://forum.reelsociety.com/Me neither. I have the exact same level of interest in one as I do in the other.
yeythe Bible Belt also has a high teen preg. and dropout rate. This is not surprising.
Neither search really interests me, one reason why blue states have the stat that they do is probably because we have dramatically less highly religious folks and the same can be said of how many gay folks we have.
That's more because of the joke that is "abstinence-only sex education" and the rampant experimentation that students are forced to do as a result of not learning what needs to be known.
edited 27th Jun '11 5:50:35 PM by Buscemi
More Buscemi at http://forum.reelsociety.com/^ pretty much.
The problem with abstinence is it assumes the average teenager is too stupid to figure out the basic mechanisms of sex without a class teaching them how.
It's because red states are cheapskates too, hence free porn.
"Wait, it's IV. Of course they are. They'd make IV for Dreamcast." - Enlong, on yet another FFIV remakeMy school taught abstinence but it also gave us sex-ed and yes it was a private Christian school.Most of the schools I went to were small so there was no messing around except for balant immaturity and obnoxiousness.It seems that people look down on people who want their kids to wait.Yeah,some abstinence people shouldn't be judgemental but the attidude I get from many of you is really condenscending.Though it means in the blue states you guys are big bluffs who haven't done anything yet.
Careful, I don't think you're being smug enough.
Kill all math nerdsWe got taught abstinence-first (aka we really don't want you having sex, but if you're stupid enough to do it without being married, yadda yadda) at our (public) school. Of course, that wasn't good enough for the parents of my at that time girlfriend, so they took her out of the sex-ed class. AFAIK the only unwanted pregnancy thing that I can remember had something to do with a teacher, who promptly resigned, and is at this time of writing somewhere in Surrey (that's in Britain).
@Jazz: its one thing to teach kids to wait. Its another to idly pretend that telling them to just wait, and not explaining safe sex, or outright villainizing sex as a forbidden fruit, is going to deter children from doing it. Mostly because it assumes forbidden fruits are things kids will stay away from even when hormones are telling them to and teens love doing things specifically to defy their parents.
Nobody's saying we shouldnt teach kids to wait, what "blue states" are usually telling kids is "wait to have sex till you're sure. But if you absolutely MUST, heres at least how to do it without getting pregnant or infected with aids and ruining your life"
Unsurprisingly, Red states tend to have higher teen pregnancy rates.
I'm sorry but I am from California one of the blue states.So it's sort of a self deprectiation of my state because I am a proud virgin.Besides if you saw any of the boys at the schools I went to you would turn down by their obnoxiousness and beside who would sleep with anyone who hasn't hit a good level of maturity.That's just my opinion if you married someone you have to make sure they a good level of maturity.I think that when you sleep with someone you are connected in a small way with them.I won't find Mister Perfect but I will hope I find a guy who isn't an idiotic jerk like Peter from Family Guy.I also think a lot of teens are ready not for sex heck I think a lot of adults espically males are immature about sex.For sex is a big thing to happen and a lot of teens are not ready for the consequences that come with it.I know a lot of teens use protection but at the same time there can what I say there are other emotional and spritual side effects that come with it.Before you guys hang me for my opinion.I have been called in school a prude or old fashioned and I hated it.I think sex should only be in a marriage and it has to be consensual as well.I'm sorry for acting smug but I want to wait until I find that man I want to marry.
@Jazz: thats perfectly fine. That doesnt mean that abstinence only sex ed works, so I dont see what it really has to do with your argument, though.
Its perfectly fine to choose to wait. Its logically ridiculous to expect that not providing information on safe sex will make sex less popular or likely for kids to participate in.
edited 27th Jun '11 6:26:23 PM by Midgetsnowman
Yeah, we didn't have sex ed in my school (Oklahoma is a very, very red state. In more ways than one, haha.) and by the time I got to my senior year, I knew multiple girls that were pregnant, including one that had three kids and couldn't figure out why she kept getting pregnant.
"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -DrunkscriblerianJazz, I'm sorry to go off topic for a moment, but tips on using the fora:
You have to hit enter twice for there to be any enters. As it stands, your posts are walls of text.
This is done with two spaces. This is done with single spaces.
Anyway, yes, abstinence first, then move on to actual protection to use when you have sex. Abstinence only like having a computer and telling the user never to go onto the internet, and not installing antivirus software on it. Abstinence plus other forms of contraception is like giving them a computer and then telling them how to install the software onto it before going onto the internet.
Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen FryI think people have lost faith to put any sexual maturity into their children.I hate the assumption that Christian schools don't teach sex-ed when both my of my schools did.They didn't promote safe sex but they taught us the usual stuff you find in other schools.Here's the deal maybe I should stop worrying what the world thinks and believe that parents have to take responsibility about teaching kids about sex espically the Christian ones.Here's the deal a lot of Christian kids are not going to be like their parents.In my case I am a rare example of a kid who wanted to go to Sunday School by my own accord and still does today.I think contraceptives should go to mainly married people who mainly to limit their number of kids.For teens it is a subject I am going to be very iffy on.I think we do need to do something to reform abstinence based programs.I think we shouldn't make it into a gimit but something you truly believe in.But at the same time I seen a lot of safe sex opponents demonize the abstinence based programs as well.I know this could be an ad hominen case but sometimes the other side can be as nasty as well.I think the safe sex opponents want to help teens and believe what they are doing is going to help them.I think this is giving the message of endorsing behavior that's destructive and will ultimatly not help teens.Yeah,I think more Christians should talk about how good sex is and why teens should wait.I think there has to be a downside to being heavily promiscious.Sex is not evil but many think of it as not a toy is use so casually.
Free gay porn > God
"Without a fairy, you're not even a real man!" ~ Mido from Ocarina of Time@Jazz: people are going to have sex whether or not you teach them how to. teaching them that "its better to save yourself for marriage" doesnt work, and pretty much all evidence and statistics ever gathered say as much. Some people, such as you, will make the choice to not have sex before marriage, and there is nothing wrong with that. But The truth is, whether or not you teach the average person how to have safe sex, they will likely try it anyhow.
The only surefire prevention method from keeping people from having premarital sex would be to neuter them.
Even then though, it wouldn't work. Unless you mean "neuter" as in "make the dude an eunuch."
"I don't know how I do it. I'm like the Mr. Bean of sex." -DrunkscriblerianI am not trying to win you to my side but I feel this culture just looks at me funny and say I am the wrong one because I feel sexual promscuity is wrong.I hate it and I know all you look down on me.Just like all my classmates they all looked down on me because I didn't want to be obnoxious to authority or never had sex in my life.Do you know how that was like for me?It was freaking cry worthy and they even insulted me about being not that pretty.I think this culture is too sex obsessed to the point you're looked down upon as being worse as the Taliban for having more conservative views on sex.Who am I kidding I know you all think of me as being some idiot fundie who wants a theocracy?Do you know what I don't care for one because there is no place on earth that is good enough.I also hate the argument that conservatives force their views on others when your doing the same saying that having safe sex is the only way to do things.
@Jazz: I'm not looking down on you for not being sexually promiscous. hellm, I'm 27 and never had sex yet because I'm waiting till I find a girlfriend I actually want to risk having kids with.
I'm simply saying that abstinence only sex education is about as viable a strategy for stopping teen pregnancy as trying to transport ice inside a volcano. It doesnt work, it never will work, and any "expert" who says it will work is lying just to please people who'd rather go on gut feelings than facts.
edited 27th Jun '11 7:44:05 PM by Midgetsnowman
I think this might be a moral question do you promote your teen having sex and make them do whatever they want because it will happen.I believe we are people who of different beliefs and don't think the same way.People will see you are the open minded model of perfection while am seen as the narrow minded prude who doesn't think like the rest of society.All I am saying with the public schools its a lost cause with private I believe its more understanble.Although I have a feeling that is where the most pregnancies are.Also I think porn is shallow waste that is perverted and sick.I also expect better from people who call themselves people of God.I think that's the problem too many Christians become a Christian because it was their parents faith and not because they want a relationship with God.
There's a flaw in your reasoning, that it's about promotion.
It's not.
@Jazzflower, please space your entries. use two hits of the enter key, otherwise your paragraphs are barely legible.
what? The point of teaching non-abstinence only sex ed is to teach them the dangers of sex and how to avoid them. Its promoting sex in the same way that a lecture on electricity is promoting the eating of a battery. What needs to happen is to teach kids the dangers of sex while reminding them of the results of it. Its a much greater detterant than saying "Don't do this" and then not elaborating.
Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
An interesting little graphic, found here. In an interesting twist, one of the comments points out that starting the graph at 0.5 instead of 0 exaggerates the effect.
For those too lazy to click on the link: Essentially, most "red" states have as many searches for "free gay porn" as they do for "God". Most "blue" states have around half the searches for "God".
Personally, I'm surprised that so many people in the Bible Belt need to use google to find God.
edited 27th Jun '11 3:15:14 PM by BlueNinja0
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