Does the GOP Want the States to Default?

So... in the future.

The Corporcracy of the United Corporations of Verizon, US Bank, GAP, News Corp, AXE, Ford, and Kraft.

Awesome.

What would Britain be?

Any sufficiently-large corporation will inevitably develop a bureaucracy that will make the Pentagon seem like a well-oiled machine in comparison.

The Crown (tm) Celebrity Factory. Funded by taxpayers.

edited 27th Jun '11 12:39:56 PM by ssfsx17

@ jonnyfog (previous page): How far? Have they been calling for privatisation of the Military?

Tesco. Tesco.

edited 27th Jun '11 12:45:08 PM by Greenmantle

Nah!

The United Kingdom of England and... oh wait. We don't have any British things.

there were concerns about the privatization of the military a few years ago, IE Blackwater.

Conservative Republicans want to hand everything over to the Almighty Free Market, under which we will be magically happy.

edited 27th Jun '11 1:07:49 PM by Fighteer

Which merely proves none of them have ever taken a course in economics.

Yeah...

Also, what's BLACKWATER. Sounds scary.

A Private Military Contractor, now offically known as Xe Services LLC.

Or maybe you'd like to visit one of several items named Blackwater.

edited 27th Jun '11 1:24:40 PM by Greenmantle

Like EVIL MERCENARY CORP?

One of several large PMC's, they got lots of press because of some fuckups they had in Iraq.

The big reason people think of them all the time when they think mercenary now is not only because of all the media attention they have garnered, but the fact that they are a rarity in the type of service they provide as a PMC. Most of them provide ex-military trainers who train US and foreign troops, or they provide security for VIP's and DOD installations, Blackwater provided actual tactical capabilities. They could go on actual offensive missions.

Not a conservative or a Republican, but I can explain the reasoning. It's all about the debt, which is projected to grow out of control sometime in the next 10 years or so. This next presidential election is likely to revolve largely around the two parties' plans to bring the debt under control. According to the Republicans, the government has to stop borrowing and spend less (the democrats are about eliminating tax loopholes for the rich). In the end, the leaders of both sides understand that they will have to compromise, but in the run-up to the election, they desperately don't want to appear weak to their core supporters. So the prediction is that they will continue to play chicken with each other right up until the eve of the deadline, and then Obama and Reid will announce a bipartisan plan.

I don't see the big deal. Bsh raised the debt celing more then once.

@Erock: the average Republican voter of course, doesnt know that, or thinks the overly large debt didnt exist until Obama came in.

edited 27th Jun '11 1:54:58 PM by Midgetsnowman

This makes me feel thankful David Cameron is actually not trying to kill the other parties. Or Milliband isn't trying to get the proleteriat to do random shit for the lulz.

Or Nick Clegg to cry again.

Or thinks it doubled OVERNIGHT on Obama's watch, with no influence or impact from anything Bush II did.

I respect that there were unexpected costs after Bush II's election, but they didn't have to push those tax cuts, they could have regulated the banks better, and they could even have avoided getting involved with two long wars.

edited 27th Jun '11 1:56:18 PM by blueharp

I have to say, America needs MORE government intervention and regulation, if anything.

@Midgetsnowman: Yeah, it's a massive problem, Republican ignorance.

Being well-read doesn't automatically make you want to attend woodstock.

I bet ten grant that most Republican planners are well-read, secular (in private), and support gender and racial equality. It's just that they have a Realpolitik attitude and openly declare war on people w/o money.

Look, it's terrible, I know, but weakness really, really bugs me, to the point that if there is a wounded bird on the sidewalk, I look at it and I go: I think I'll just kick it. -Jodie Foster

edited 27th Jun '11 3:39:21 PM by johnnyfog

So what you're saying is that they don't even believe in the swill they're selling?

The House of Representatives believes it. You can be completely brain dead and still get elected in that position.

Barkey, from what I've read of you in this thread, does that mean that if all this comes to pass you could be shooting at the rest of us come your well-paying PMC job?

It shows. The number one reason why we shouldn't raise the ceiling is the debt itself. It's running rampant and out of control and worst of all we have NOTHING to show for that great debt. Jobs weren't created otherwise we wouldn't have 9% or higher CHRONIC unemployment. (It's almost double that rate if you factor in discouraged workers and the underemployed)

Under all economic theories, runaway debt is never a good thing. Guess what, owing to the welfare state which is 65% of ALL US Federal expenditures, we have runaway debt. If that is not solved, we basically spark a worse depression than the one we're in. (With high inflation to boot!)

Nothing then? The millions of senior citizens getting health care is nothing? The millions of children getting health care is nothing?

Huh.

Who knew?

Yeah, I shudder to think what elites would due in a second depression. They've demonized FDR, mostly to crush the notion of social welfare. Last time, Hoover surrounded himself with execs who said let 'em starve. His reply, "This nation needs a great poem."

The last great hope of the world, turned into yet another seedy third-world police state. Great example to set.