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Miijhal Since: Jul, 2011
#26: Jun 19th 2011 at 5:40:48 AM

Thing is, that's more a massively nonsensical law on Germany's part, not Sony's part.

edited 19th Jun '11 5:41:35 AM by Miijhal

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#27: Jun 19th 2011 at 6:07:46 AM

Apparently, Germany is still as big on censorship as back in the day, it seems.

Running GPL software on hardware you legally bought is not a crime and allowing people to do so shouldn't be as well.

edited 19th Jun '11 6:08:02 AM by Medinoc

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Aminatep Vulpes Zerda from Glorious Mother Russia Since: Oct, 2009
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#28: Jun 19th 2011 at 6:21:55 AM

> Mr. Egorenkov, a young German

Oh my, with a Russian name and surname, what a native German that might be.

The article in question is biased so much it makes me want to punch air.

edited 19th Jun '11 6:22:35 AM by Aminatep

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TravisBickle Just like in the movies. from the grit and grime Since: Jan, 2011
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#29: Jun 19th 2011 at 6:37:04 AM

[up] And he can't be a Russian born in Germany because...?

edited 19th Jun '11 6:37:14 AM by TravisBickle

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BaleFire Since: Dec, 2009
#30: Jun 19th 2011 at 7:08:14 AM

This guy is clearly deluded. If he's willing to keep breaking laws for no reason even as it bankrupts him, so be it.

I mean really, fighting to the death for a firmware update?

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#31: Jun 19th 2011 at 7:09:49 AM

[up]Except he isn't breaking laws: He's allowing people to put legal software on legal hardware.

If you consider this a crime because it also allows piracy, then why don't you have arms manufacturers (and while we're talking of pirates, boat manufacturers) arrested?

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#32: Jun 19th 2011 at 7:12:11 AM

A problem with Sony this is : Sony doesn't know that the very ability for a console to interface with internet is like a double-edged sword. A door that swings both ways. You get rid of the door, and all you get is just a wall. No one can get in, but then no one will talk to you

edited 19th Jun '11 7:14:50 AM by Cassie

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Aminatep Vulpes Zerda from Glorious Mother Russia Since: Oct, 2009
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#33: Jun 19th 2011 at 7:33:44 AM

@ Travis

Mentioning the fact that he is amongst those insane human beings who happen to hate everything paid for, everything non-linux, who are actually sure corporations are going to get them personally, also known as any Russian pirate group ever, would have been cool. But nooooo, the article is too biased to care.

edited 19th Jun '11 7:34:19 AM by Aminatep

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Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#34: Jun 19th 2011 at 7:41:23 AM

Thing is, that's more a massively nonsensical law on Germany's part, not Sony's part.

It's not Sony's fault that they're suing him for something ridiculous?

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
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#35: Jun 19th 2011 at 7:50:50 AM

[up][up]Well, to be fair, Sony has got him personally.

edited 19th Jun '11 7:50:58 AM by Medinoc

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#36: Jun 19th 2011 at 8:00:14 AM

Remember when video games used to just be about video games, and none of this politics, lawsuits crap?

Everyone is a dick in this situation. Sony. The hacker. German law.

I just want to play some god damn games. But no, now I have to feel like a dick about Sony having my favorite console because it has the most GAMES I LIKE ON IT.

edited 19th Jun '11 8:00:40 AM by Thorn14

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#37: Jun 19th 2011 at 8:07:07 AM

I wonder if people realize there's a difference between the PSN hack and the hack of the PS 3.

I think the PS 3 hack might have broke the Terms of Service, but he didn't actually do anything illegal with it. Did it enable illegal piracy? Yes. It could be argued that that's Sony's fault since they used the same password for everything, but it could also be argued that he shouldn't have released it once he found that out. I'm not going into that argument.

The real thing is, yes, this would allow piracy. It's more than likely. However, unless they personally pirated games... what have they done that is actually illegal?

I will agree this seems like stupid German law screwing the guy over more than Sony (Innocent until Proven Guilty Or Bankrupt, what a system), though.

[up]Hey, if you like PS 3 games that's fine. I don't see a problem with owning a PS 3 these days, heck if I actually owned a console I'd probably get a PS 3 because it's got exclusives I'd like to play. I just don't like Sony itself, and a lot of people don't like the idea of giving them money after this, especially considering that (as the article mentions) both Microsoft and Nintendo both had similar hacks made for their system and they didn't go KILL KILL KILL mode.

Also why is there a constant call of "BIAS" on that article? Maybe slightly biased but it's not like there's a line about "SONY IS THE DEVIL" in there.

edited 19th Jun '11 8:13:43 AM by TheInferno

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#38: Jun 19th 2011 at 8:16:49 AM

[up]

If it helps I hate all of the big 3 after this E3 we had. I dont like what sony is doing either but it feels like you either have to hate sony or be some blind loyal fanboy slave.

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#39: Jun 19th 2011 at 8:20:32 AM

I just want Sony to make and distribute good games again, and stop all this bad security and stupid litigation crap.

As for bias... it's a news article. They're biased as a rule. Get over it.

Sakamoto demands an explanation for this shit.
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#40: Jun 19th 2011 at 8:21:13 AM

[up][up]I think it's just because the "SONY IS THE DEVIL" crowd and the "SONY COULD SHOVE A SPIKED POLE UP MY ASS AND IT'D BE LEGAL" crowd are a pair of Vocal Minorities, and this is the internet.

[up]Pretty much. I've seen and heard some awesome stuff about PS 3 games, and the PS Vita looks interesting.

edited 19th Jun '11 8:22:15 AM by TheInferno

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#41: Jun 19th 2011 at 8:22:37 AM

The article starts out with picture of Braveheart, and is going on about how Sony oppressing this one guy. I think the statement that "Sony is the Devil" is pretty obvious.

Not that I'm defending Sony.

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#42: Jun 19th 2011 at 8:27:58 AM

...alright, that's a fair point. Still, even if you look at just the facts in the article it's kinda sad for the guy.

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#44: Jun 19th 2011 at 9:12:20 AM

Yeah, I'm definitely in agreement that everyone involved in this is an asshole. The hacker is probably the involved party who's done the least wrong, though.

Not that his behavior shows it.

edited 19th Jun '11 9:42:51 AM by INUH

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#45: Jun 19th 2011 at 9:31:33 AM

[up][up] I agree he is a idiot.

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#46: Jun 19th 2011 at 10:33:16 AM

Aminatep that's a joke right?

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#47: Jun 19th 2011 at 10:59:06 AM

Opinions @:

  • German Law: Well shit, go after his family too while your at it. Flesh and blood aren't enough.

  • Sony: This is why you'll be the next Sega, Sony.

  • Hacker: You and your persecution complex. maybe you being put away is a good thing.

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Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
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#48: Jun 19th 2011 at 11:12:07 AM

I hope Sony doesn't become the next Sega.

The thought of only Nintendo and Microsoft scares me.

God forbid Apple join the fray.

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#49: Jun 19th 2011 at 11:18:54 AM

I loved Sega, too. Same with Sony. I sincerely hope they don't do themselves in.

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#50: Jun 19th 2011 at 11:26:40 AM

Y'know, there's more to Sony than just their video game division...

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