Guess that trope: Nimbus Privileges

No, it's an adjective which are also very simple to work into a sentence.

It also sounds like the trope unlike Purity Privileges which sounds like it's more talking about Privilege in the sense that certain groups think that because they're good, that they can walk all over everyone else. The character thinks they're pure and everyone else is scum so they can murder everyone else without sullying them self.

I'd go with Purity Powers over Purity Privlieges.

edited 8th Jun '11 5:12:34 PM by shimaspawn

I think the opposite. Power implies a narrower version of the trope in that it's more like a power based on purity.

But privilege implies that this is something completely mundane. The only definitions of privilege I know are mundane thing that someone else lets you do i.e. potty privileges, t.v. privileges. Or those in power holding that power over the heads of the less fortunate i.e. white privilege, male privilege.

edited 8th Jun '11 5:32:16 PM by shimaspawn

It doesn't to me. I am more familiar with the idea of responsibilities and privileges that come with age. Opposite of more being expected of you is more options being open to you. You may now do more.

edited 8th Jun '11 5:38:42 PM by Arha

Yes, mundane responsibilities given to you by your parents or the state. That's not really what this trope is about.

And how is that? Because of my super pure heart, I have the right and privilege to ride the mystical fluffy cloud. Dictionary definition:

1. a right, immunity, or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most: the privileges of the very rich.

3. a grant to an individual, corporation, etc., of a special right or immunity, under certain conditions.

That pretty clearly falls under this trope, doesn't it? Just replace the very rich with the pure of heart or define certain conditions as the same. Privileges is perfectly accurate.

edited 8th Jun '11 5:45:02 PM by Arha

By strict dictionary definition it sort of works, sure, but the connotations are all wrong. A privilege is legally granted by an outside party. It's not something that's part of you innately like the cloud riding. The word is associated with the mundane. Not with supernatural abilities. Part of the reason that we voted to rename this was that the privilege bit didn't work either.

edited 8th Jun '11 5:49:08 PM by shimaspawn

Really? Because from what I recall the annoyance was mainly based around the word 'Nimbus.' I don't think the title is confusing at all, and you think it could be misleading. On the other hand, you suggest Purity Power, which sounds too narrow. While also technically correct in that you can say 'I have the power to ride this fluffy cloud because of my purity' it really raises more the idea of an actual ability inherent to the character based around their purity. That's not wrong, but it's too narrow.

That's why I think Only the Pure of Heart works as well. It's clear to everyone. The only argument against it is that it's not a noun,

I don't think I said it doesn't work. I simply didn't like the way it sounds.

Shima, if you think that it will work in examples that don't use potholes now, without potholing, give us some examples of sentences where you can cut-and-replace "nimbus privileges" with "only the pure of heart" without having to rewrite the sentence.

I don't care if they actual examples, I'm just asking for a few sentences that makes sense when you remove a noun and replace it with an adjective phrase.

Here's the great thing about that: it doesn't matter. If the thing was written as an adjective, they would all be written to fit that. We're holding names up to the standard of how alike they are to a name everybody has rejected. Unless someone can bring in some special qualities about nouns, how only sentences with trope names that are nouns can be interesting or something, then we're not making any positive statement about the qualities of Noun Privil-I mean Purity Privilege and Only the Pure of Heart.

Unless of course, Nimbus Privileges is in so many articles we couldn't possibl-

Oh right.

edited 8th Jun '11 6:47:45 PM by SomeSortOfTroper

There's only 36 wiks. I'll be happy to go through and rewrite that tiny number of examples. As SSOT says, it's not exactly like we're doing a big rename here.

Technically, Only the Pure of Heart is still a noun phrase. It's just more likely to be a subject than an object.

Still haven't seen an example using it. Choosing something that has to be potholed doesn't become a better idea by having fewer wicks. A trope name is a tool, a token for an idea that you can drop into a sentence as shorthand for a trope.

Well of course it's not used anywhere. Cuz it's not the trope name.

It can be used in a sentence, just not any that are currently being used. A noun is not infinitely better than any other part of speech. Since we're no longer using the custom titler for renames and going back to manual, no problems will be caused.

• Cool Sword- Alice's sword is one that Only the Pure of Heart may use.

is no worse than

• Cool Sword- Alice's sword can only be used by those with Nimbus Privileges

I suppose you could make a case for sentences like

• Face–Heel Turn- Made worse that, following her swap to the darkside, Alice lost the ability to use her Cool Sword, which required Nimbus Privileges

but even those can be changed to something like

• Face–Heel Turn- Made worse since, following the swap, Alice lost the use of her Cool Sword, since Only the Pure of Heart could wield it, and she no longer fit that description.

Or, you know, just potholes, which I don't see as that huge a problem. That's what they're there for.

Also, redirects.

Oh yeah, redirects. Some tropes I save the redirects for particular situations where they will work better, sometimes I see a redirect that is for a subtrope that we decided to fold into the larger page. They have a valuable job to do if you want to fit things into a certain sentence structure.

Can't we just make Purity Privileges a redirect if it's that important to have an adjective phrase rather than a noun phrase?

Redirects Are Free. We can make a bunch of 'em.

And it's very common for the runner up to become a redirect for added clarity.

Only the Pure of Heart is a noun phrase. "[Only The Pure Of Heart] can wield Excalibur", "[Arthur] can wield Excalbur". It's just a noun phrase referring to the person with the attribute rather than the attribute itself.

What makes it slightly syntactically awkward is the placement of the "only", which means you can't say things like "The Unicorn will only appear to Only the Pure of Heart", so you have to reword it to, say, "Only the Pure of Heart can approach the Unicorn".

Yes, technically we're arguing about the declension. Have we become a 7th grade Latin class?

In any case, the crowner is three days old now, the current results are what I would guess and the past day only got 1 or two votes so I say give it 24 hours and then call it.

Ok, we have 12 for Only the Pure of Heart and 6 for Purity Privileges. I'd say that's enough to call it.