DC Rebooting Universe

The Five Year plan was a product of Didio's direct regime implementation.

Everything from IC to FC was deliberate. He pushed to assemble the 52 crew and gave them the leeway on there titles. 52, Brave new World, Green Lantern Rebirth, etc. The "Include ad Transcend" era was very deliberately done by Didio and the staff. DC finally stopped beeing ashamed of all the pre-crisis Bullshit and went full out with 70 years of stories. 52 was meant as a kind of sourcebook for the Completionist DCU, its why it jumped around so much. Remember "Architecture and Morality" the whole Architect Era was his idea.

And as far as Kate, well she is a Bat character, Rucka himself noted this. Marriage has an air of finality in narrative culture. It wouldn't necessarily be my choice, but I can see why he went for it.

Didn't Di Dio hate 52? I've read that he stomped around the hallway bitching about it. Countdown to Final Crisis was supposed to be "52 done right." Cue laugh track.

Well. That tells us all we need to know about Mr.Di Dio, don't it?

What's worse, I think, is the rumor that Identity Crisis came about when he just walked into the office one day and said "We need a rape."

Mind you, people make up rumors about comic professionals all the time, so who knows if any of the ones we've been discussing are true...

That's one of those sentences that should get you auto-fired.

yeah him hating 52 is true he hated it because it was supposed to be 52 issues of explaining why robin had a new outfit and why other minor changes happened

course the writers had other ideas and the fact he promised not to interfere with them bit him on the backside

course he broke that promise anyway he took away the ending of ralph dibnys arc from mark waid and wrote it himself

see thats why he hated 52 because editorial mandate was mostly non existant

thats why countdown was 52 done right because editors were allowed to mangle that clusterfuck

To be honest 52 was a clusterfuck. It worked because the crew was super awesome, but it went off on a tangent and never really did all that "sourcebook of the dcu" stuff. It was a book meant to do one thing, that didnt do that, but was great regardless. If you order a steak and someone gives you the best lobster you ever had, they still got your order wrong. Countdown was a horrible steak, but it was still a steak. Like I said, he's nos aint, but the outright demonization goes a bit far, especially given how much classic DC was part of his regime and process. 52 was his brainchild in the first place. Hell, in that same interview he talks about Didio almost got himt o eb EIC. So this 2 dimensional "Big Bad of DC" Dan gets is really a load of crap. Especially given how much of my, and from our conversations here your, fav dc books he had a hand it from inception.

much as i love poking him i don't see didio as a bad guy nah he made some questionable decisions but he also did a lot of good too. nah its bob harras i see as dcs grand villian.

tons of varients

event after event after event

hiring the same crap writers he hired in the nineties

the 90sification suffered during the new 52

i blame all this on harris i see didio as trying his best to deal with some shitty decisions

I agree Bob Harris is one of the relics (and a very destructive one at that) from the nineties that should never have been employed again.

Yet there he is, working as EIC for DC.

Is the rumor that Didio had an affair with J.G. Jones's wife resulting in a Real Life Creator Breakdown for Jones, true? I first heard it on 4chan, and you know how they are.

I do love variants though. >Dat art

But the one rumor that I know is more of an open secret is how Amanda Connor and Jimmi Palmiotti are swingers.

Not that they do much to stiffle those rumors if you know hat I mean

man the end of superman doomed was interesting. all im gonna say with all this stuff leading up to it, the event next year is gonna be hype.

also that booster gold issue. between that and the end of doomed looks like pre-flashpoint earth's are still out there

edited 24th Sep '14 12:43:35 PM by deadpoolrocks

I'll be more confident when there's a change at the top regarding the DC management.

That is all.

but we have physical proof it still exists. we saw a superman without armor. we saw an old jsa, and a pre-flashpoint booster.

I flipped through Superman Doomed and loved that last page. So I need to check out Booster Gold as well?

I wonder if this isn't leading up to what bleeding Cool refers to as the "band-aid", the books to be published in the interim while DC is moving to the west coast?

edited 24th Sep '14 1:54:07 PM by andersonh1

you should. it has a pre-flashpoint booster and michelle.

Hopefully this leads to the utter annihilation of the New 52.

Well, that would be the preferred result, yes.

so what we know about the 2015 event is it has anti-moniter vs darkseid, and it might involve any of the wars earth-0 experiences in the next 5 years. it also involves Bleediac aka multiversal brainiac who is collecting pre-flahpoint and pre-crisis universes including old earh-0/prime-earth/new earth.

Do people remember where DC was at before Flashpoint? The quality from there to now is vastly lower. I think folks have rose tinted glasses. I was actually there, and aside from outliers like Steph Bats and Morrison's run, DC as a whole was in a tailspin since Final Crisis.

To that I would say this: not everything prior to the reboot was bad. There were some quality books being published. The New 52 was a marketing move designed to attract attention as much as it was a move to clean up the storytelling. But they threw the baby out with the bathwater. It was too much sacrifice for too little gain.

I would say it was much more a marketing stunt than an attempt to clear continuity as made continuity more convoluted.

I'm still annoyed at this "reboot all books that weren't selling, but keep continuity on the ones that were" nonsense.

Ya keep saying that, but I'm not feeling it. In fact pretty much across the board the books I've enjoyed the most are ones that could've easily been done without a reboot (such as Multiversity or Snyder's Batman).

There are a select few elements I like (I appreciate Bunker and would like to see more of Duke Thomas as Robin) but other than that I haven't felt the reboot has done enough to justify its existence.

it brought in sales. thats what it was made to do.