Merge with Seven Year Rule: NOHAMOTYO

While I intensely dislike the name Nohamotyo, I think these are the same trope.

Side question: Is Nohamotyo really an official or pre-existing acronym?

On the whole though, these would appear to be pretty much the same thing.

Google of the term turns up 900 results so probably not its just initialism of "No One Has A Memory Over Two Years Old" two years and seven years though are different though as seven years your Target Demographic is almost 100% different people while two years its the same people just willing to see the same thing again.

edited 28th May '11 7:13:44 PM by Raso

Bump.

I really hate the name Nohamotyo too. Acronym or not, there's gotta be a better way to parse it. Two Year Memory Refresh maybe?

...Actually, having looked at the Seven-Year Rule page, half of them are pro wrestling tropes and the other half are miscellenious; the Nohamotyo page is more varied with Comic Books and TV taking up the most examples. Weird. I was going to agree with Raso on how they differ but honestly the page examples don't really reflect this.

If the examples are simply the same and there's no real distinction between them or misuse, it'd be wise to merge them. Personally, I prefer the name Seven-Year Rule.

edited 19th Sep '11 2:56:01 PM by MangaManiac

The only difference, if that, appears to be the timeframe.

Two years vs Seven is a decent difference though as I had said earlier seven years means your targeted demographic has all moved on to the next bracket and has probably started watching other things so it's ok to repeat stories. Two years means your audience are idiots with a short memory .

Wait, is this an in-universe trope or audience perception trope?

Neither.

This would be a convention/guideline which highlights part of what goes into a work's production (in this case, the story-writing and when it is suitable for a production to reuse old material for stories wholesale).

Seven-Year Rule is/was intended to be a wrestling-specific trope, after a common term there. I don't think it was ever intended to be all that different from this one. Keep in mind, the rule at Silver Age DC in the examples is "no one has a memory over five years old".

Isn't this really just enforced Recycled Script?

Also, get rid of the quote on Nohamotyo, it seems to fit Older Than They Think more.

edited 20th Sep '11 1:15:53 PM by MorganWick

I'm not sure what to do here. The definitons are a lot alike, but their examples are not. Then there's the time difference as has been pointed out....How about we call them sister tropes, make a note for both at the end, and call it a day?

I don't think the time difference warrants a split. It's the same trope eitherway. "We can recycle stories every X years. Either because that's the turnover rate of our audience or because no one will remember what we wrote x years ago."

where X is 2, 5 or 7 years.

seems sensible to me. Plus, NOHAMOTYO is an ugly, obscure initialism, and shouldn't be a trope name in the first place! :)

I honestly don't care about any other results of this thread as long as NOHAMOTYO is no longer a trope name when it's over.

Since this thread is about two tropes, and since NOHAMOTYO is the one that seems to bother the most people, would it be possible to get the thread header swapped around so that the TRS notice appears on NOHAMOTYO?

So, what are our options here? I'd probably endorse either either a merge or a simple rename of NOHAMOTYO. Willing to hear further arguments. Is it time for a crowner?

... Where is the description in the Nohamotyo article?

The description is buried in a bunch of meta business. The clearest part of the description is the big ol' banner at the top explaining the acronym. This trope, I swear.

EDIT: Also, changed the discussion heading from Seven-Year Rule to NOHAMOTYO, if that's alright with everyone. Feel free to change it back if it was unwarrented.

edited 22nd Sep '11 11:54:31 PM by Gillespie

Should we have a crowner? Option one: merge the tropes under a name to be decided later (possibly Seven-Year Rule). Option two, rename NOHAMOTYO. Option three: NOHAMOTYO is just a peachy name that everyone instinctively understands, so do nothing. :)

Was a merge carried out? Now this thread title reads....

...which got me @_@.

Is that better?

Strikes me that the sole difference is Seven-Year Rule mentions LongRunners, whereas NOHAMOTYO does not.

DC Comics' 5-Year-Rule actually straddles the border, unless Pro Wrestling honestly thinks that 5-7 years is the timeframe of its Fleeting Demographic (or it thinks it has one).

EDIT: My conception is that the chief difference (if there is one, which I begin to doubt) is that the Seven-Year Rule allows for one (complete) generation of its Fleeting Demographic to pass on before recycling scripts, whereas NOHAMOTYO does not, relying on the tendencies of its target demographic.

Perhaps a merge and rename to Fleeting Demographic Rule, as that is usually the standard of when scripts can be recycled.

edited 26th Sep '11 8:02:48 AM by DonaldthePotholer

Wow, NOHAMOTYO actually has more wicks (79 vs. 61), but Seven-Year Rule has more incomings (1200 vs 1700).

Since this isn't actually a trope, I see little point in trying to maintain fine distinctions or even agonizing too much over the name. Merge 'em, mark the result as trivia or something, and call it done. I'm fine with pretty much any name that isn't a cryptic acronym.

What you said about a name that's not an acronym.

edited 26th Sep '11 4:17:16 PM by DoktorvonEurotrash

Merge them on Seven-Year Rule. It's not an an acronym, and the reasons WHY they re-use stories are immaterial as a distinction. The end result in the media is the same damn thing.