Fim/ Book Split?: The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz

In one page, we have 13+ books and the MGM movie. This totals to 1231 related pages. It takes a good while to get down to the Film tropes, so I was thinking... could we do some moving of things? I see two options: 1. Hard split- film on one page, books on another, main becomes a list for tropes in both. 2. Soft split- Make separate folders for the books that have enough content and the movie, and put other books into a different folder.

In order to do the soft split, we'd need a bit more info. Some of these tropes don't specify what sequel there from.

The film is sufficiently different from the book that it really should be its own page in the Film namespace. And the books should be in the Literature namespace, as well.

I'd suggest that there be one Literature.Oz page and that each book get its own page, using the correct title. That will eliminate the collisions on the subpages.

edited 28th May '11 2:39:18 PM by Madrugada

The 1939 film's title is The Wizard Of Oz; The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz is the first book in the series.

Even better. That means there won't be any major collisions with two different works needing to share a subpage.

Question: according to a recent Cracked article I read, there were a dozen or so adaptions of the Wizard Of Oz before the really famous one. Should we put the famous one in the namespace with a link to the list of other adaptions?

If people want to make pages for them, they can be added to the Disambig page. If no one makes a page, I'm not sure why we need to list them, other than as a "hey didja know?".

If you want to actually watch them and trope them, go ahead.

Yes, there are many adaptions. We have forty OFFICIAL books, ten different musicals, a bunch of tv and film adaptions...

Maybe we could split the film and put the book's name as a film space redirect?

Yeah, right now about half the Oz page is listing adaptation. Perhaps we should keep the space in the main for that as kind of a disambig.

edited 14th Jun '11 7:02:01 AM by shimaspawn

Perhaps Film/ The Wizard of Oz for the 1939 film, Main/ The Wizard of Oz for adaptations in general (and disambiguation), and Main/The Wonderful Wizard of Oz for the actual book.

Use the Literature namespace for the books. Including the original book.

Use Main for the disambiguation.

It is really simple.

edited 14th Jun '11 12:35:47 PM by Madrugada

Got it.

I have created Film.TheWizardOfOz and moved the film's examples, and am in the process of updating links.

Literature.TheWonderfulWizardOfOz I leave to another day and/or another troper. On the subject of the literature, though, I notice there's a WMG.LandOfOz page, which contains Wild Mass Guessing for the book series as a whole. Would it make sense to have a Literature.LandOfOz page for the series? It could have a trope list for all the examples that don't come from the first book.

I have worked through all the links pointing directly to The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz, and fixed the ones that were meant for the movie. (The ones that refer to one of the sequel novels I have left alone, but there's enough of them that I think a separate page for the series would be a good idea.)

Main.TheWizardOfOz is now a disambiguation page, and Main.WizardOfOz points to it. There's about 900 links pointing to one or other of those that need to be disambiguated still.

The Literature page still has a long list of links to films. I'm going to move those onto the disambig page.

It's feeling weird potholing examples from the sequels to The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz, so I'm going to go ahead and create Literature.LandOfOz.

The reason for using "Land of Oz" and not plain "Oz" is to avoid a cross-namespace collision: Funny.Oz, Awesome.Oz, etc. all exist already as subpages for the distinctly adult TV series, and I don't think we want children's literature examples sharing those pages when there's a reasonable alternative.

"Land of Oz" is the second book in the series. I'd rather have "Oz Book Series" or the like.

And I've said before, I think the optimal situation would be to have Main/TheWizardOfOz be the master disambiguation page. Main/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz redirects to Literature/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz to be the first book.

And redirect Literature/TheWizardOfOz to Literature/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz, of course.

edited 28th Jul '11 8:45:14 AM by NateTheGreat

The original title of the second book is "The Marvelous Land of Oz", and that's the way it's (mostly) referred to on the wiki. I know it's also been published as "The Land of Oz", but I don't believe it's ever been published as "Land of Oz" without the The.

Too late now, anyway, though Oz Book Series would be a useful redirect, now you mention it. Would that be "Main/OzBookSeries" or "Literature/OzBookSeries"?

Main.TheWizardOfOz is the master disambiguation page. I agree that the first book should eventually be at Literature/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz (with a redirect from Literature/TheWizardOfOz), but I've already said I'm not up for doing it myself just now. Still got a lot of cleaning up to do after the changes I've already made, to start with.

Current status:

• Main.TheWizardOfOz is the disambiguation page; Main.WizardOfOz redirects here.
• Film.TheWizardOfOz is the 1939 film.
• Literature.LandOfOz is the series.
• Literature.TheWonderfulWizardOfOz is the book; Main.TheWonderfulWizardOfOz and Literature.TheWizardOfOz redirect here.