LGBTQ+ Rights and America

It's not absolute. You're restricted to a year after the last time that you had sex with a man.

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It used to be absolute, or the timeframe was 7 years or something.

Aren't about 40% of the HIV cases in the US still confined to Gay/Bi men?

It's mostly confined to sex workers, gay men, and guys who refuse to wear condoms.

However, the fact that that ban only applies to gay people is stupid as hell, as a gay person without HIV could get turned away while a straight person with HIV could get accepted.

It's based on an outdated myth, and needs to be changed.

It's not just gay people, it's specifically men who have had sex with men, be they gay, bi, pan or simply have recently experimented.

Now in curious as to why it's a man on man thing, that does seem homophobic, shouldn't it be anyone who has had anal sex within a certain amount of time?

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

Wait. How do the regulations regard girl on girl. And do they count kissing? And what if one of the individuals is trans?

Kissing and lesbian sex don't transmit HIV (well it is possible with lesbian sex depending on the situation, but way lower probability than straight and gay male sex)

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The trans thing probably hasn't become an issue because, well, the whole rule is dumb and pointless.

Trans women who have what they'd consider heterosexual sex are still technically considered "men who have sex with men" because they were assigned male at birth and not all of them have surgery. Many of them would like that to be changed because they consider it misgendering.

Is it based on gender? I'd assume that as its a medical thing it's purely about biological sex and sexual equipment, rather then about gender identity.

That still doesn't explain the issue over heterosexual anal sex. If it's about giving or receiving anal sex then it should ask that, not if you've boned a man or not.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

Wasn't there a news about some guy being turned down for looking gay?

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Referring to it as "biological sex" is a really thorny issue of terminology in the transgender community, as you'll have a lot of people who argue the gender they identify as is their "biological sex" rather than the one assigned to them at birth, and that if you were to refer to the genitalia of a DMAB MTF who hasn't gone through SRS as a "penis" and not a "clitoris" it's disrespectful and transphobic.

I thought the trans community was battling to make clear the difference between sex and gender, why on earth would they want to conflate the two?

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

Yeah, sex is physical, gender is mental. Gender also trumps sex in terms of how you identify.

As part of the LGBT+ community, don't get me started on terminology and how no matter what term you pick you'll offend someone. Generally, you're best off using clear terms when talking for a wide audience, but ask people politely what they prefer in a one on one basis.

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They can call it a rhinoceros if they like, it won't make it one.

It's also blatantly untrue. I've never once met a trans person (and I know quite a few, aside from myself) who wouldn't consider it a penis. None of them have ever insisted a penis is a clit or a vagina is a dick.

Guess it's a Tumblr thing then. Seen several posts on it from trans people who I know enough to not be Poe's Law trolls and weren't being inflammatory (like, they weren't doing the "if you're trans and disagree with me you're truscum and a Category Traitor" thing or anything). They dislike it because referring to parts of their anatomy with terms that belong to the gender they were assigned as rather than the one they self-identify as makes them feel dysphoric and perpetuates the stereotypical "born in the wrong body" narrative that many of them find offensive and hurtful.

As for vaginas I've never seen an FTM person try to argue it was actually a dick or balls when it wasn't. It's only with the penis/clitoris and breasts/pecs.

edited 17th Jun '16 3:44:49 PM by AlleyOop

Ah. Most people I know either refer to them as their clinical terms or avoid talking about it at all, if it makes them uncomfortable.

From what I've read, the opposition to the idea of a "biological sex" distinct from gender comes from the idea that, if you accept that gender is based on identity rather than biology, then you have to accept that a person who, for example, identifies as female is female, meaning that any genitalia they have is female genitalia, and that calling them "biologically male", "born a man", etc., goes against the fact that they are female.

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That doesn't explain calling a penis a clitoris just because it belongs to a woman. At that point, you're saying "women have a clitoris and men have a penis".

I agree with this, I was talking about something else - the opposition to the term "biological sex", etc. I believe you when you say you've heard it from people you trust not to be trolls, but I follow a couple tumblrs a lot of people would consider "radical SJ Ws", and this is the first I've heard of calling a penis a clitoris if a woman has it. I don't think we should be doing it, but it's not as ridiculous as it might appear: the penis and clitoris actually both start as the same organ in fetal development.

EDIT: OK, I see someone else said they heard it from people the trust not to be trolls.

edited 17th Jun '16 7:15:06 PM by Sivartis

♭What.

I've seen people who will call their penis a clit, but only as a personal thing to deal with dysphoria.

Yeah call it what you will personally, call it a dragon if you want (no this isn't an otherkin joke, it's a men name their dicks joke), I honesty don't give a crap what people call their organs in the privacy of their own home, but when your dealing with medical professionals you've got to use medical terms.

Same way I'd never tell a doctor that my best friend is my sister, in my head she is, in my heart she is, but medically and legally she's not and I'm not gonna fuck with that if a responce is needed in a medical or legal context.

"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran

Although your friend can never be your biological sister, unless your friend is already your biological sister, it is perfectly legal to adopt new family members.

Adoption can be official, or unofficial. Either way, a friend can be made a real sister.

Unless it's in a medical context and the doctor wants to know about family history.