Discussion of religion in the context of LGBTQ+ rights is only allowed in the LGBTQ+ Rights and Religion Thread
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Discussion of religion in any other context is off topic in all of the "LGBTQ+ rights..." threads.
Attempting to bait others into bringing up religion is also not allowed.
Edited by Mrph1 on Dec 1st 2023 at 6:53:59 PM
Cephalopod Lothario
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You should check out the determinism thread. Not that I consider determinism an excuse for breaking the law.
edited 1st Feb '13 10:09:08 AM by DrTentacles
Impossible Gender Forge
Because. Science can't prove jack, apparently.
edited 1st Feb '13 10:10:49 AM by Matues
Princess Ymir's knightess
You're not familiar with certain mental sicknesses, are you? XD
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Starship, I thought you ended up agreeing that sexuality wasn't a choice, but sexual acts were?
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Princess Ymir's knightess
I wasn't referring to homosexuality, Starship, I was just nitpicking an exploitable question. 
On a happy note:
Sports Illustrated honors gays and gay couples in it's biggest issue: the Pre-Superbowl issue!
This is a huge victory in the face of not just those in the sports community that have denouced homosexuality, but also helps to normalize homosexuality and break some bad misconceptions to a demographic that will probably benefit greatly to such education.
edited 1st Feb '13 10:19:18 AM by Gabrael
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
"Semi-erudite"? I'm improving!
I'll refer you to a half-dozen earlier posts where I express doubts about the legal precedent of high-handedly redefining English words in ways alien to established usage, so that earlier laws will retroactively apply. Since the very concept of "legal precedent" is a minor species of slippery-slope argument, worrying about it isn't fallacious. You and many others trust the integrity and good faith of the people who propose this change. You trust that it's a one-time-only piece of legerdemain that won't come back to bite anyone—or if so, that the social gains will prove to be worth the losses. I respectfully disagree.
For what it's worth, I hope that you're right and I'm wrong. If you get your way—as you're likely to—and there are no unintended (or covertly intended) consequences in the long term, you have my permission to laugh your asses off at me. Here's hoping you get your chance.
"She was the kind of dame they write similes about." —Pterodactyl Jones
Impossible Gender Forge
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It's not really alien to the language, as Canada legalized it, and they're an English speaking country.
edited 1st Feb '13 10:23:17 AM by Lascoden
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Impossible Gender Forge
Considering the battle going on to just get this changed, I doubt there will be a sudden surge of chaos as legislatures start defining.. *Gasp* other things!
Like if it's really breathing if you do it with your nose.
If legal precedent is a slippery slope then grease me up and call me a toboggan.
Princess Ymir's knightess
>Canada
>not talking in a crazy alien language
What a brave thing to say!
edited 1st Feb '13 10:25:10 AM by kay4today
The Article of the disgusting remarks made by the 49ers quarterback and how his team stomped on him.
Stuff like this is what Sports Illustrated is trying to combat, to which I am greatful they are.
I am sure we are all exhausted of heterosexuals thinking just because we don't have their orientation we're going to go after them like a dog in heat.
"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur
@Jhim: Your wrong though. I can't speak for everyone but I think we agree that if it happens with a different social group and we agree we can change the legal definition of the law again and should.
Also if it is legalized how many years consequence free to we have to go before we can say "I told you so?"
METAL GEAR!?
Impossible Gender Forge
Yep.
Flattering themselves. Humph.
edited 1st Feb '13 10:28:00 AM by Matues
Maybe they figure it's like the thing with straight guys and lesbians?
edited 1st Feb '13 10:29:04 AM by Elfive
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I think they're referring to the concept of Girl on Girl Is Hot, but gender-flipped?
We already have a government that can read the constitution and still believe that extrajudicial killings, unwarranted wiretaps, wars of aggression, and indefinite detentions are just fine.
To put it simply, gay marriage can't open the floodgates for some horrible miscarriages of justice because those are already happening.
We have evidence that the sexual urges one feels can be traced to certain genetic markers during gestation.
You don't pick these genetic markers yourself.
Therefore you do not choose to be gay.
WHY DOES THIS NEED TO BE EXPLAINED TO YOU?
CHOOSING TO FOLLOW THESE URGES IS NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL.
NO ONE IS ARGUING THAT.
edited 1st Feb '13 10:10:18 AM by Elfive