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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#1: May 24th 2011 at 3:34:09 PM

Interesting. He doesn't deny that it's happening, and he doesn't say we need to mitigate. I have a lot of disagreements, but I would rather hear what conservatives have to say about these policy suggestions.

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Karmakin Moar and Moar and Moar Since: Aug, 2009
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#2: May 24th 2011 at 4:03:12 PM

Not a conservative, but it's not that far removed from some ideas I've seen come around in progressive circles.

TLDR version, at least how I read it.

Encourage domestic clean energy technology R&D Once you find something that works, sell it abroad, tied in to foreign aid and other grants to developing countries, beating out the EU, Japan and China. Profit!

Edit: Actually after reading it over some more, it seems almost downright leftist in a few ways. The idea of providing preferential import treatment for environmentally responsible countries isn't different..at all..from the common leftist idea of providing preferential import treatment for countries with acceptable labor standards.

edited 24th May '11 4:07:34 PM by Karmakin

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#3: May 24th 2011 at 9:10:13 PM

I see this thread is not getting much love because the link in the OP is actually sane. tongue Anyway, I wouldn't have necessarily pegged his policy as conservative if he had not self-labeled himself as such, but I wouldn't have called it liberal, either. Overall, I like it, especially the part about the well-designed carbon emissions tax and the international incentives.

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#4: May 24th 2011 at 9:15:16 PM

Well, at the risk of escalating the thread, the True Conservative position on climate change is one or all of (a) it's an evil liberal conspiracy; (b) it's just a natural thing and nothing to do with humans; (c) it's far too expensive to deal with and we've got more pressing problems now.

So this guy may self-identify as conservative but it won't fly in any conservative circles. Well, it might give them an "out" if some of them want to actually do something about it without appearing to pander to the left. Wasn't cap and trade originally a Republican idea?

Anyway, I support anything that potentially brings both sides to the table in a sane manner.

edited 24th May '11 9:16:05 PM by Fighteer

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#5: May 24th 2011 at 9:24:55 PM

Hard to believe Reagan passed the Montreal Protocol, actually. Well, Republicans were less extreme in the past, and I believe they can become less extreme in the future, especially when they realize that green tech might mean big bucks.

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Karmakin Moar and Moar and Moar Since: Aug, 2009
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#6: May 24th 2011 at 10:09:45 PM

Yup. Cap and Trade was the Republican idea. Liberals/progressives said, well, at least it's something, tried to embrace it, and the Republicans ran from it. (See "Obamacare" for a REALLY good example of this)

The modern conservative movement isn't in the business of solutions. They're in the business of fighting the culture wars.

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#7: May 25th 2011 at 12:39:18 AM

Oh god yes, that was hilariously stupid (in a tragic laugh-until-you-remember-they-got-away-with-it-totally-unchallenged-and-you're-still-screwed-then-break-down-crying kind of way.)

  1. In 1993, Clinton pushed for a ridiculously watered-down set of reforms to provide universal healthcare… Through the private insurance industry.
  2. Republicans and most Democrats treated it as commie backstabbing, the Republicans authored a piece of counter legislation, debate stalled between the two, and ultimately nothing got done.
  3. Obama then “wrote” a healthcare reform which amounted to an almost exact regurgitation of the aforementioned Republican one, as a compromise with the Republican minority.
  4. Both Republicans AND most Democrats treated it as commie backstabbing.

Watching people on the left take up former rightist talking points as an effort at compromise with people who don't know the meaning of the word is utterly nauseating.

Eric,

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#8: May 25th 2011 at 12:44:31 PM

When understanding conservatism as a general thing, and not a political faction like in the 'States, I see no problem with it going along with environmentalism. That's speaking in theory.

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#9: May 25th 2011 at 1:41:10 PM

It seemed pretty reasonable. Not a whole lot else to say.

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#10: Apr 1st 2013 at 7:40:24 PM

Bumping this because it's the most appropriate old thread that showed up in a title search.

New microbe makes fuel from the CO2 in the air.

Wait till a major corporation can make a profit off of these and global warming is solved!

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#11: Apr 1st 2013 at 7:47:37 PM

The next big problem will be that we don't have enough CO2 anymore.

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#12: Apr 1st 2013 at 7:48:32 PM

^

We'll just have to chop down the rainforest then so it stops hogging it all.

That was a joke.

edited 1st Apr '13 7:48:38 PM by Barkey

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#13: Apr 1st 2013 at 7:49:23 PM

"If we want to save the planet, we need to burn more coal!"

Yeah, don't think that's happening, but this will still be a good fuel source if it pans out.

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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#14: Apr 1st 2013 at 7:50:02 PM

Jeeze, Barkey, we can tell when you're kidding.

You're in the Air Force. If you were being serious you'd suggest levelling it with napalm and heavy ordinance.

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#15: Apr 1st 2013 at 10:58:18 PM

Wait till a major corporation can make a profit off of these and global warming is solved!
Make a profit by...what? Selling the fuel?

In that case, it will only be done once the cost (for somebody) comes down past the cost of drilling oil. Without government intervention, that might take a while, and maybe too long to be effective against GW.

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#16: Apr 8th 2013 at 9:37:30 PM

That sort of thing existing is old hat. The question is, is it viable yet?

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#17: Apr 8th 2013 at 9:52:01 PM

Not to mention if burning the fuels will simply release it back into the atmosphere.

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