JAFAAC, better picture needed: Bolivian Army Ending

Quite frankly, the image is not very good since, speaking as someone who is not familiar with it, all I see is two guys with guns. Any shot a better image can be picked?

While I agree in principle, I'd like to know if this is one of those ones where the Trope Namer gets the image, even though it's not very good. And also if that's a standard guideline we should be using now.

Yep, it's the Trope Namer. I did some inspection on youtube and the picture is suppose to be the final scene of the movie. It's still a bad picture though.

That's a very badly cropped final scene of the movie:

Below would be the iconic image that most people think off as "the Bolivian Army Ending":

The poster◊

Sepis version◊

black and white◊

Although I think technically this one◊ was the ending, and I think I might like it better for the trope.

Maybe if we add a shot of the army lined up to blast away at them?

Another image from the ending◊

edited 21st May '11 11:26:36 AM by Sackett

In response to Deboss, the Trope Namer still isn't a good picture if it doesn't demonstrate the trope.

I'd like to see an actual army surrounding the characters. Would be clear

I'm well aware of the guideline, I want to know if that has changed by executive order.

I can't answer Deboss's question, but I have an image here from Portal 2 that I think shows the trope well.

Possible caption: A white round thing full of bullets. Oh, wait, that's you in five seconds.

(Note, the caption is a paraphrase of a GLaDOS quote from the same game, not my own attempt at wit)

edited 24th May '11 3:36:57 PM by zanedesantis

That's just a few turrets firing at the same spot. That's... not really helpful.

And isn't that a spoiler anyway?

Actually, I'm going to say that this is unpicturable if we want to maintain a "no spoiler images" policy.

The Trope Namer is an It Was His Sled situation, do we forbid those images as well?

edited 24th May '11 9:20:52 PM by Sackett

I'd be all for the Trope Namer if you can find the pic with both the characters and an army

-only knows how the Trope Namer ends because of the trope-

Why don't we use the image of the death of the Human Torch, which clearly shows him facing the odds specified in the trope?

Link◊

edited 25th May '11 2:40:27 PM by KingZeal

Probably the "spoiler" issue.

How can it be a spoiler when it was all over the damn news?

Not everybody watches the news at the same time? And just because the news is a bunch of assholes who don't understand the concept of "spoilers" doesn't mean we should stoop to the level of journalistic scum.

If we want to show the trope, the problem is that we need to show the ending part too. Just showing someone facing a big group of enemies is not this trope. They could be saved or like it is stated in the description thanks to Conservation of Ninjutsu, there is a 99% chance that any character caught in a Bolivian Army Ending would survive if the incident took place earlier in the film.

The important part is that the characters are about to face their certain doom in the end, but the story ends before we can see what happens to them. None of the proposed images is showing this.

But that's the thing. The trope is naturally inclined to be a spoiler. It says "Ending" in its very title after all.

The fate of Johnny Storm isn't that unknown (as opposed to the It Was His Sled status of most other examples on the list) and it perfectly shows the context that you're asking for.

Osimium, I don't know what you're saying. 99% chance of doom isn't "certain" doom; it's likely doom. The trope itself says that there may be a way for the protagonists to get out of this, but it's highly unlikely.

I don't know about anything coming from "executive order," but terrible pictures of Trope Namers have been removed by the community's own accord in the past, without such a mandate from "above."

Unless a mod explicitly prevents this from going forward, as was the case with changing the images on The Wesley and Ted Baxter, I don't see any reason why we should stop the discussion from continuing.

edited 26th May '11 12:31:36 PM by SeanMurrayI

Please read my post again, It doesn't say that the chance of doom is 99% it says the chance of survival is 99% when the characters face such a situation in the middle of the story.

That is the reason why just a scene of people facing something wich looks like certain doom is not enough to show this trope, we need to show that the story ends at this point.

I can only think of two ways:

1. With a caption in the shot which says "The End"

2. With a caption under the picture which states the same.

I don't think spoilers are an issue here. If none of you had said it, I would have never guessed that flaming guy is supposed to be Johnny. it could by any given character with fire powers, or even just some weird Battle Aura.

edited 5th Jan '12 4:30:49 PM by eX

Personally I find the Human Torch image to be the best one so far because it actually shows the "army" he's facing. Given the nature of the Trope though, you're either going to have to post a slightly spoilerish picture or just leave it without a picture at all because the "Trope Namer" image isn't good.

The thing about the Human Torch picture though is things only remains spoilers in comics for a short period of time because future solicits always end up giving away past storylines. If anything, Human Torch's death has already reach the point of being a Late-Arrival Spoiler.

edited 29th May '11 7:44:19 PM by Lionheart0

I agree that the Human Torch image is the best. And forgive me for my lack of sympathy as far as spoilers are concerned but, as alluded to above, in comics Death Is Cheap. I'm sure that we'll see ol' Johnny Storm back in action shortly. As for the image? It will illustrate the trope forever (at least comparatively).