A single unified LGBTQ+ conversation

So the thing with my grades has been sorted. At least in the sense that my tutor is aware and has confirmed that the "not submitted" message is wrong.

Whelp, I think someone in the Christian coven is a tad homophobic. He compared gay people to broken toys.

Well that's to be expected. But I've seen a lot of gay people who are Christophobic.

And hey, he's new. In time he'll either learn that there are things other people won't let you get away with saying, or he'll be banned, or he will leave.

But let's not import drama, right?

edited 8th Feb '16 7:12:14 AM by Keybreak

I won't import any drama, but I hope he learns. That kind of spin pisses me off.

If you see issues in other threads, don't transport it to these threads, just report them. Talking about it here is a way of importing drama.

I understand.

Can we still discuss the tendency some lgbt people have to dislike religion?

I think its far enough removed from what's happening in that thread, while still being an interesting topic. Because I've met quite a few anti religion lgbt people.

They don't have to, but it's a common unfortunance...

Some LGBT's don't like that religious tradition demonizes them and so they turn against it. Some find a way to weave their orientations into what they already believe.

I look at both with skepticism. I prefer the rational view, but people still don't agree on what's true versus what's conjecture.

Yeah. Theres one or two people who I've stopped talking to as a result of their anti religion stances being so strong (although one of them was anti everything, more or less. She even admitted to hating cis women for "being lucky enough to have" what she wants.)

I'm the sort who reconciles faith with sexuality and gender.

i totally get what you mean

i think it has something to do with the fact that there's a "religion demonizes homosexuality" stigma, whether or not it's true or fair.

edited 8th Feb '16 9:14:47 AM by EpicBleye

Then there's those of us whose stories feature tales of brotherly and sisterly love, some of which is gay or lesbian and features people dying and telling their partners they'll see them on the other side, waiting for the final battle.

For a lot of people, it's a matter of safety. People from religious backgrounds can get kicked out, sent to conversion camps, and worse. If they want to get a bit twitchy over the dominant religion in the US, I'm not gonna lecture them on being more accepting. Their lives and well being could easily be on the line.

I just think we shouldn't return hatred with more hatred.

Remember that not all religions are against it. Mine is very fine with it.

(Before anyone mentions India, that is the government, not the religion. Plus, India is also Muslim and Christian, among other things.)

Apparently a writer has stopped working for Huffington Post due to their new "Queer Voices" section.

He wrote a piece about how many older LGBT people hate the term "queer" and don't want to reclaim it due to the traumatic memories it brings back. I'm in agreement with him, and wish they would stop using that title.

I'd say saying "queer" should also be unacceptable, but then we get into a similar thing to the n-word where some people use it a lot.

I know some lgbt friends who label themselves as queer so I have no real opinion

I see people using 'queer' in two main ways.

1. It's a simpler way to say, 'LGBT'.
2. It's a simpler way to say, "I am a sexual or gender minority with which you are unfamiliar."

Also, I reopened the Hindu coven. If anyone wants to come in there, to ask questions, you are welcome to do so. I chew up a lot of space by explaining things in other places.

edited 8th Feb '16 10:32:04 AM by SpaceWolf

honestly, i think that the word "queer" should be used more often. Not only is it a simpler way to refer to yourself within the LGBT spectrum, but it's also been seeing a lot of usage from the younger folks.

that said, I think it's also important to be sensitive to the people who have had the word mean something really awful.

The other issue with the term Queer is that it's too Occidental for some. While going against the grain is accepted and even encouraged in many parts of the western world, in the eastern world that is hard. It's come to a point in some places where they need people to accept they can be on any part of the GSRM spectrum and fit into society at the same time, which the term Queer doesn't help with.

Good point- it creates a false dichotomy

Also, 'queer' meant 'weird' until, at least, the time when Tolkien penned The Hobbit.

I am a bit late but I am not surprised that there is a bunch of LGBT people that are anti-religious. I can guarantee you that some of the bad experiences those people have had in there lives were created by religious individuals or groups.

edited 8th Feb '16 10:41:40 AM by Bleddyn

While I'm quite sure that quite a few people are anti-religion because of experiences, I'm also very sure that there are a lot of anti-religion lgbt folk who are anti-religion that have not had bad experiences, and are anti-religion because of getting faulty information or making judgments based on the extremists.

Good point. I mean I personally rather stay out of the religion anti-religion thing myself because of all the misinformation and extremism being flung around.