Well, Cygan was wondering why there wasn't one, so I made it. I guess we can talk about queer stuff. :3
(*LGBTQ+ Solidarity huggles*)
Oh, and if you're wondering, non-queer folks are welcome too.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 1st 2023 at 12:49:01 PM
"Just as planned."
Bri - basically, the defence of 'They're trans/gay, they spooked me, I hit them.'
And Sixth has it down. Don't go down that route, Hopey - it's a legally complex area.
"Did you expect somebody else?"
Maid of Time
ooooh ok
why hasn't that been banned before???
i think i mostly want to see what happens when this whole place breaks apart
Here's hoping that all other states adopt the same laws.
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because people didn't give a shit about us until now.
edited 1st Oct '14 9:26:13 AM by smokeycut
I'd like to see someone try to oppose said law
@ Begonia. But, if this whole law stipulates that consent is a legal requirement in all sexual initiations, then how can one prove consent? I mean, this law sounds really good, but if it hinges on the aspect of both parties knowingly consenting, then how can one prove consent was gained?
"Just as planned."
You're asking the wrong person here, and you're asking the wrong question. People have argued that no resistence makes consent, particularly certain groups I won't name, and it's designed to stop those sorts of situations.
"Did you expect somebody else?"
I see.
Hmmm.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
-deep legal thought-
I will ask my law student friend.
Hmmmmm.
So..... if someone has sex with a drunk person, it will be counted as rape.
Which is a good thing, presuming that the person KNOWS that they're drunk.(and is taking advantage of them) How do you quantify drunkneness? I mean, does that mean anyone who drinks alcohol? Because some can drink a lot without getting drunk.
I'm confused. What if both partners were drunk?
edited 1st Oct '14 9:46:44 AM by ElectricNova
"Just as planned."
Qualifying as drunk basically means having had enough that your thoughts and actions become impared - if you have one 25ml shot of whisky, you're not drunk usually. If you have 2L of the finest Scotch, you're drunk because by then you'll be impacted.
"Did you expect somebody else?"
Again, according to California law, you need victim consent to press rape charges if the person is a legal adult over 18. So if two drunks sober up and decide no harm no foul, then nothing happens. But if one does feel like someone went wrong, they can open an investigation.
Uniocular
Which is the goal. Previously, you could "prove" consent, either by saying that someone was asking for it with their clothing, or that they said "yes" (even if that "yes" came as a result of coercion or intoxication)
"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."
Element of Class
Well... much as I hate to be 'that' guy, I do wonder if it opens up the system to greater abuse than the current one has. Like, in terms of false rape allegations.
I know that false rape allegations are much rarer than a lot of people make them out to be, especially when put up against actual rape that goes unreported or unconvinced, but it does strike me as that, since consent is kind of unprovable, a falsely accused person is at a pretty big disadvantage. IT's better than the previous system, certainly(In that when I first read it I thought, "It didn't work that way before? Why not?), but...
Birthright: an original web novel about Dragons, the Burdens of Leadership, and Mangoes.
...
*backs out slowly*
"Yup. That tasted purple."
"Just as planned."
Let's not get into this hear, because it's amazing what comes out of it.
I'm not going to get onto it much because it's one of those issues where so many things can be said about it.
I will say though that I like that it stops the whole issue of 'clothing = consent' and that 'silence = consent'.
Both of which disgust me endlessly.
"Did you expect somebody else?"
Element of Class
Fair enough, that.
So... how bout them dicks/vaginas/cake?
Birthright: an original web novel about Dragons, the Burdens of Leadership, and Mangoes.
Maid of Time
cake is gr8
i think i mostly want to see what happens when this whole place breaks apart
Some Gal
It's kind of humorous when people think i'm brave and say it constantly. I mean it's well meaning so I don't really mind but.....
I walked into college wearing leggings and a dress, I'd hardly call that Beowulf level bravery
(but I know that in some situations it really IS. But not mine)
edited 1st Oct '14 1:06:34 PM by ElectricNova
*hug*
"Yup. That tasted purple."
That consent law makes it sound like taking off all your clothes, dancing in front of the other party naked and laying down on a bed and "presenting yourself" doesn't constitute a "yes".
...I didn't get to say anything about it yet. :|
edited 1st Oct '14 1:19:01 PM by Keybreak
"Just as planned."
Except it may not be. It may just be a strip-tease.
But in the bedroom!
...oh well, in California I suppose they'll just have to communicate with words now.
"Just as planned."
Yeah, in the bedroom. You can't excuse yourself like that.
For all you know, she may be a stripper.
You're tip-toeing over the line with rape apologetics here, don't.
"Did you expect somebody else?"
Some Gal
