Rename: Tower Of Babel

I was looking for a place to put a reference to the actual tower of Babel when I found this. I think it could do with a rename to Curse of Babel or something. And then we can use Tower of Babel for, you know, the actual tower. Shouldn't be that hard.

Tower of Babel found in: 35 articles, excluding discussions.

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I agree. That's a terrible title, plus I think we might already have this with Poor Communication Kills, although it does seem a bit more specific. I think I'd rather call it Lack Of Communication Kills. Or maybe something like Lost Their Voice Plot.

Curse of Babel, I feel, is a good fit for something like this.

edited 9th May '11 2:53:07 PM by SeanMurrayI

Like Curse of Babel.

Infinite Tree: an experimental story

Okay, seems an agreement to rename to Curse of Babel. Before we do that, we need an actual page for the tower and how it's portrayed in media. All I have is that it was a tall tower, and God came down and messed with the builders' languages. I'm looking at the page for it on The Other Wiki, and it's really not helpful. Anyone with more knowledge than me want to help?

The problem I have with Curse of Babel is that it is no more descriptive than Tower of Babel, not to mention that it's not always a curse that causes it. I'm all for a rename, but as I said before, I would prefer something more descriptive like the names I've already suggested.

There's a reason this trope was named Tower of Babel in the first place; it's by far the most famous instance of the trope. Unless I am very much mistaken, it's the origin of the word "babble." So Curse of Babel is a bit of a pun, related to Curse Of Babble. In fact, there's no reason the latter couldn't be a redirect.

I made a single proposition rename crowner here just to be extra safe.

I agree that the current name is not a great one though, especially since it does not indicate anything about it being a plot point. Tower of Babel sounds like a place or a setting to me rather than a plot, but Your Mileage May Vary on that.

edited 9th May '11 4:40:19 PM by LouieW

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d

I'm inclined to agree, and even if it were used for a plot, I'd say it'd be more fitting to use it for the setup (i.e. the building of the tower) rather than the result (the thing it is now).

Infinite Tree: an experimental story

Okay, the crowner is over 7-1 in favor of the rename, so I think we can call that.

But we still need to Sandbox the new page, for the actual Tower of Babel in media. Again, I don't know enough about it to do more than copy the (not very helpful) wikipedia page.

All we need to do is give this trope an accurate name and make sure that the examples/wicks are reflecting the exact trope and not something else.

If you want to put the phrase Tower of Babel to use on the wiki for something else, take it to YKTTW and develop it as an entirely new page. It shouldn't be a concern for us in this topic; it's a separate subject altogether.

edited 14th May '11 2:48:02 PM by SeanMurrayI

Am I the first one to notice that Trope Namer is decidedly not an example of the trope as defined?

Definition: Episode whose main conflict is compounded by a key character losing the ability to communicate.

Trope Namer: No conflict; was Break the Haughty.

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

Well, that's just another reason to rename it. We can put down that the partial Trope Namer isn't technically an example, as it was an Unbuilt Trope at the time.

And I'm going to start moving the page over to Curse of Babel (redirect Curse Of Babble) and fix the wicks unless anyone objects. I'll start the YKTTW later.

EDIT: Okay, I just finished fixing the wicks, and over half were referencing the actual tower. I left those in, obviously, so they'll be good once we launch the new page.

edited 14th May '11 6:08:20 PM by Discar

^^ Wouldn't be the first time we had a Trope Namer not be an example. In fact, this has happened often enough for there to be an index for tropes that have this one thing in commmon.

^ Approximately half of all wikilinks are reportedly people linking to the Trope Namer — which would be perfectly fine if the topic was the actual Tower of Babel, but it's not.

That's what makes it misuse: In this particular case, a non-example Trope Namer is a problem.

edited 15th May '11 5:03:44 AM by Stratadrake

An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.

Discar,

In the future, it might be a good idea to have an alternate titles crowner before you rename something, especially since Wacky Meets Practical had already raised some objections to the new name. I am okay with Curse of Babel as a name, but I know that in that past I have gotten in trouble for moving too fast with a rename and I do not want the same thing to happen to you. I might be off here, but I feel like it is better to be safe than sorry in such situations.

I hope that did not sound too harsh. I am not trying to scold you or anything like that, I just think it is a good idea to not go around protocol with stuff like this.

edited 16th May '11 1:11:12 PM by LouieW

"irhgT nm0w tehre might b ea lotof th1nmgs i dont udarstannd, ubt oim ujst goinjg to keepfollowing this pazth i belieove iN !!!!!1 d

^^ Oh yeah, that is a problem. And that's why we're fixing this page.

My mistake though; I thought you were referring earlier to the Curse of Babel suggestion being a problem because the Trope Namer wouldn't be an example.

edited 16th May '11 2:07:47 PM by SeanMurrayI