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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
Well like I've said the theory is that all this bullshit is to try and get rid of him before the Chilcott report comes out and basically buries anyone who was in favour of invading Iraq.
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Spinners and Losers comparison: Isn't the unnamed party Malcom Tucker is in based off of New Labour?
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Chilcott? Well, when it comes to our current political disintegration, that means that...Things can only get worse.
Pretty much. Tucker was in part based on New Labour's first "Spin Doctor", Alastair Campbell.
edited 30th Jun '16 8:24:37 AM by Greenmantle
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Meanwhile, the Deputy Mayor of Helsinki weighs in on Brexit.
edited 30th Jun '16 8:24:49 AM by TerminusEst
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I'm not much familiar with Corbyn on domestic issues, but forgive me British tropers, but he comes off as somewhat naive on foreign affairs.
He's generally isolationist / "we need to stop shoving our nose in places we're not wanted", IIRC.
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Yeeeeah, no. In this day and age, head in the sand politics do not jive, no matter the party.
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How dya figure that out?
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"Let's stop making things worse over there" is not an incoherent platform position, and whether you agree with it or not, is not disqualifying.
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I would agree. Most big conflicts nowadays are a case of foreign powers fighting each other by proxy. The locals are mostly cat's paws.
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yes but we need to protect our oil fields and the despotic regimes we support who have control of those oil fields! *cough* Saudi Arabia *cough*
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A procrastination in of itself
Corbyn is certainly naive on forign policy and seems to belive that force is never an option (he spoke out against defending Kuwait from Saddam), likewise he has some isolationist tendencies that can be seen by him saying we should ignore the UN's call to action over Syria.
That's why many in Labour were happy to see him have some folks around to reign his forign policy nuttiness in.
Still he has a lot less flaws then the pro-austerity lot, so I'll stick with him till we have a better option.
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Corbyn's foreign policy is certainly a relative weak point, but can we seriously afford to be picky right now? He and Sturgeon are speaking out against austerity, few others are. The Overton Window is moving towards the right in a way sadly reminiscent of 1930s Weimar Germany, and it shows no signs of stopping.
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now, now, Erudite, it ain't bad, what extreme right politicians do we have here? there is no way May, the most right wing of the lot, could pass her Snoopers Charters and other authoritarian legislation in parliament, Gove is an idiot, Johnson ain't running (yet) and Farage is unelectable, hell, I would say none of them are as far right as Thatcher (ding dong the witch is dead)
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I never claimed any of them were as bad as Thatcher, so you're arguing from a false premise. They are all, to a man/woman, awful, and Corbyn's foreign policy weakness is in no way a dealbreaker considering those alternatives.
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you said we were heading increasingly far right, I'm pointing out we've had further right PM in the last 30 years, it's the economy and all that tanking that is a real worry...
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The Overton Window concerns more than just our current PM, you know. There is a very definite rightward trend in terms of attitudes to the economy, immigration, etc.
It's precisely because the Overton Window is moving to the right that I actually would take Corbyn's foreign policy views into serious consideration (and thank you, Silas, for vocalizing about why I think it isn't good, even though you support him, as opposed to assuming my views like certain other tropers).
If we are sliding back into the 1930s, I wouldn't want Neville Chamberlain as my leader.
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Chamberlin wasn't that bad, when he signed the infamous piece of paper he had already set the country into a state of military build up, seeing the writing on the wall, and was trying to gain international consensus against the Germans, it's just the Germans had been building up for a lot longer...
edited 30th Jun '16 11:36:46 AM by FieldMarshalFry
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So that's what this does
Chamberlain's real problem is that history believed his Obfuscating Stupidity for too long.
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Chamberlain was also better with the unions than Churchill ever was. Churchill sent in fucking tanks after them.
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*peers at Corbyn's comments*
Hm, you have to squint (and throw emotions out of the window), but I don't think that counts as antisemitism — at worse, he's just saying that Israel is as bad as ISIS (which I can believe he thinks so — he's a British Israel-hater after all).
A procrastination in of itself
I'm not even sure if he's comparing Israel as much as the current Israeli government, I agree that the comparison is off, but he was specifically saying that we should not blame all Jewish people for the actions of Israel or the Israeli government.
Also while it's not an exact comparison the comparison of how people react is pretty solid. Folks do blame Jews for Israel's actions the same way that folks blame Muslims for ISIS's actions, regardless of if the actions are comparable the way blame is thrown around is.
Plus his audience will have included a lot of pro-Muslim people, it's a good comparison for such folks to be made to hear.
edited 30th Jun '16 12:24:51 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
@Chamberlain - Again. not talking about domestic policy, so telling me how he was better with unions is irrelevant to my point. As for building up the British military, intent alone does not absolve him, he actually has to be successful with his strategy. Besides, on this front, as far as I have seen, Corbyn wouldn't even do that. He seems intent on removing British nuclear capability from the military....
Ah, so it's all part of the program of demonizing Corbyn because he won't toe the Rupert Murdoch-neocon/neolib party line.
edited 30th Jun '16 8:13:09 AM by Fighteer
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