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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
When a protest vote means deliberately voting against what you think is actually best for your country, the value of your voice is dubious at best.
A procrastination in of itself
By voting for an MP or political party that pays attention to them. Vote for Corbyn, vote Green, vote SNP, vote PC, hell vote UKIP.
Vote bloody Monster Raving Loony, but don't vote to leave the EU as a protest, because now we're actually leaving.
Oh and I mentioned this in the economics thread, I was talking to someone who voted Leave and they said how their pension was worth less now because of the EU (which is false) and how we didn't have all the things we wanted because we were spending money on the EU. I pointed out that we could have those things if we wanted them because we can print money, but we elected a goverment that doesn't want us to have those things.
Then I was told that we can't just print money because that would devalue the pound, at which point I told them they don't get to task to me about devaluing the pound.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Overview of the EU summit proceedings. The rest of the EU reps are unhappy but resigned to the fact that they won't be invoking Article 50 any time soon given the internal turmoil (with a side of "well look at the mess you made"), Cameron made cordial but cautionary remarks and singled out free movement as a factor, there's a general insistence that the UK not get any special deals, no trade talks before Article 50 is triggered, Farge acts like a bad movie villain.
edited 28th Jun '16 5:46:52 PM by Elle
The Cosmopolitan Fictioneer
edited 28th Jun '16 5:56:44 PM by MarqFJA
Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.
A procrastination in of itself
I belive the exact quote is something to the effect of "when I walk into Downing Street (where the UK goverment is) they do what I say, when I walk into Brussels (where the EU is H Qed) they don't know who I am".
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
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I read that in the voice of The Penguin for some reason...
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How possible is it that UK may end up like the former Yugoslavia, with a NATO intervention and all that? Somehow, I don't think the possibility is as remote as we'd like it to be.
edited 29th Jun '16 12:23:16 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling On
You think we're going to go full on Balkanize Me?
"Yup. That tasted purple."
Well, if it goes that far, I could see a "render safe" operation, but otherwise...meh. ISAF/EUFOR guys in Scotland and NI probably.
Britain still has a military, I doubt it will allow Balkanization to occur.
edited 29th Jun '16 12:37:23 AM by TerminusEst
Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
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I don't think it's impossible. It's a worst-case scenario, I admit, but I can't rule it out.
edited 29th Jun '16 12:37:41 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling On
So wait, what this is about that Britan voted to leave but didn't actually mean it? .-. I figured out to check this thread to see aftermatch to thing and now I'm confused
HS2 may no longer be ‘a priority’ after Brexit, says Lord Berkeley
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No more confused than anybody else — nobody knows (not even those in power) what's happening. Nobody's in control at the moment.
@Greenmantle: Unlikely. Scotland will be allowed to secede peacefully and there won't be any genocides. Hell, the border will still be reasonably open with buddies on both sides.
The only time the UN will need to send blue helmets is at the next England/Scotland football game.
They wouldn't use Blues. They'll just use either EUFOR or NATO peacekeeping forces (often the same thing) since it doesn't require the UNSC getting involved.
Never use the UN to do anything.
edited 29th Jun '16 1:03:53 AM by TerminusEst
Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
And others who voted with little idea of what the more negative side effects would actually be.
Others who wish to rescind their vote since the two main leaders of Leave (Johnson and Farage) pretty much admitted "Our entire campaign was based on lies."
Imperial knight
Angela Eagle’s Local Party Has Backed Jeremy Corbyn
At the CLP AGM on Friday 24th June 2016, delegates asked me to write to you to ask you to reject the motion of no confidence in Jeremy Corbyn. The meeting was overwhelmingly behind Jeremy continuing as Labour leader. Your appearance on TV during the post referendum programme was mentioned. Your response in putting the question of his leadership aside to deal with the issues was welcomed. The idea that the Labour Party would rather miss the chance to capitalise on the splits in the Tory party by in fighting was not acceptable to members. On behalf of the constituency I would ask you to make a clear public statement of support for him.
Regards
Kathy Miller & Kathy Runswick Secretary & Chair Wallasey CLP”
United Earth
I can't find a link but they just said on BBC News 24 that one, maybe two, members of the Shadow Cabinet that were just given the job by Corbyn have now resigned as well.
Pronounced YAK-you-luss
That was Pat Glass, who isn't stepping down because of political differences, but because she's received what the police believe to be credible death threats, and is exiting politics altogether.
After Jo Cox, I can see why someone might want to watch their back.
edited 29th Jun '16 4:03:54 AM by Iaculus
What's precedent ever done for us?
So that's what this does
SNP bid to become official opposition because Alex Salmond has more Commons MPs supporting him than Jeremy Corbyn
I thought Angus Robertson was the leader in the Commons.
So, just as the SCons replace the SLabs in opposition to the SNats, so the SNats replace the Labs in opposition to the Cons. Granted, Robertson and Salmond have been hinting at this manoeuvre from the moment they arrived in Westminster last May.
I don't really understand how people expect protest votes to be effective normally, anyway, but in this case shouldn't it have been common knowledge that the two sides were pretty close? I assume that it was, in which event, doing a protest vote based on something of this serious of nature just seems really irresponsible and short-sighted on the caster's part, to me.
edited 28th Jun '16 5:19:16 PM by LSBK