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Recent political stuff:
- The vote to see if Britain should adopt Alternative Voting has failed.
- Lib Dems lose lots of councils and councillors, whilst Labour make the majority of the gains in England.
- The Scottish National Party do really well in the elections.
A link to the BBC politics page containing relevant information.
Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 3rd 2023 at 11:15:30 AM
Faith in humanity has increased a bit today!
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username....For a split second, when I read the words "Daily Mail" and "activists" I thought this was going to be really ugly. I'm pleasantly surprised.
edited 31st Jan '15 1:54:42 PM by Rationalinsanity
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Oh the Fail certainly didn't intend the offer to be used for anything other than their usual white picket fence middle-class readers to stock up on cheap wine.
Fortunately, there are people with more altruistic intentions around. I'd join them if I didn't live 500 miles away.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.Initially I thought that the Heil actually paid for people to go over and say "Go home" to the migrants, I was pleasantly surprised when enterprising individuals took the chance to help the people there and (less importantly) give the Mail the finge.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Now, this might be the MoS, but it does provide a break-down of what's happened to Labour's Election campaign this week — Labour knives out for 'loser' Red Ed: Election panic grips party as big guns turn on 'haunted' Miliband
Keep Rolling OnMPs vote in favour of 'three-person embryo' law
In a historic debate, the House of Commons voted by 382 to 128 – a majority of 254 – to allow mitochondrial donation through a controversial amendment to the 2008 Human Fertilisation and Embryology Act. They approved the regulation in spite of some critics warning it was a step towards creating “three-parent” designer babies.
The regulations will now have to be approved in the House of Lords, where they are likely to be passed.
M Ps were allowed a free vote on the issue of conscience but both the Conservative and Labour front benches made it clear they believed it was an important scientific step forwards that did not amount to genetic modification.
Jane Ellison, the Conservative public health minister, told M Ps the techniques provided in the regulations offered the only hope for some women who carried the disease to have “healthy, genetically-related children” who would not suffer from the “devastating and often fatal consequences” of mitochondrial disease. She said mitochondrial DNA made up 0.054% of a person’s overall DNA and none of the nuclear DNA that determined personal characteristics and traits.
Critics of the motion had been given hope of defeating it after the Church of England and the Catholic Church in England and Wales said it was not yet clear that the technique was safe or ethical.
Good and surprising news. It's really not 3 person in any meaningful sense though, it's more like 2.001 parents, with the latter 0.01 eradicating a dangerous genetic disease permanently since the results transcend generations.
These babies will still be biologically of both natural parents. No significant DNA will be present in them, merely a healthier version of cells that cause significant long term debilitating hereditary diseases. Nothing else. As I said, to call it a 3 person baby is rather sensationalist and misleading. There's some technical accuracy, but the three persons are in no way equal in it.
I can see why people are worried about a slippery slope to designer babies, but that's a farfetched fear I think. The best medical authorities in the land have deemed it safe and ethical, and that was not a judgement made lightly.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.Slippery slope!? There is no slope at all here; it's simply taking the mitochondrial DNA from a third person.
I am interested to know how old the mitochondrial donor is; to my knowledge, it makes a big difference if you take it from, say, a 41-year old than from a 14-year old.
Anyhow, good thing and I hope it spreads.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI know there's no slippery slope, but the criticisms of it seem to be based on that.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username.There was an idiotic interview on Radio 4 with Jacob Rees-Mogg, that most toffish of Tory MPs, on this subject earlier, saying he was going to vote against it because it would deprive people with mitochondrial disease of the right to exist. I...what?!
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.Oi.
What did he say is a mitochondrion?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanI think the crux of his argument was that by introducing mitochondria from a third person you fundamentally change who the baby is going to be from who the baby would be if you did not use the mitochondria.
Which is completely insane.
edited 3rd Feb '15 1:36:54 PM by pagad
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.A politician doesn't understand science. In other news, water is wet, the Pope is a Catholic and bears shit in the woods.
"Yup. That tasted purple."New Zealand Judge Lowell Goddard to lead abuse inquiry — Looks like they couldn't find a British Judge...
Keep Rolling OnAccording to her rep among Kiwi lawyers, though, she's a pretty convenient candidate for a whitewash.
What's precedent ever done for us?Terrific stuff.
Schild und Schwert der Partei...and in not-so-good news, Rotherham Council will be taken over by central Government after abuse inquiry
Council leader Paul Lakin has resigned and the council cabinet will also quit. An earlier inquiry found 1,400 children were abused by gangs of men, mainly of Pakistani origin, from 1997 to 2013.
The National Crime Agency (NCA) said the latest report, by Louise Casey, the director-general for troubled families at the Communities Department, identified "a number of potentially criminal matters". Files passed to the NCA relate to one former and one existing councillor arising from the inquiry, Ms Casey's spokesperson said.
Investigators found the council had a "deep-rooted" culture of cover-ups and silencing whistleblowers, Ms Casey said. It also found the child sexual exploitation (CSE) team was poorly directed, suffered from excessive case loads, and did not share information between agencies.
Ms Casey said: "This inspection revealed past and present failures to accept, understand and combat the issue of child sexual exploitation, resulting in a lack of support for victims and insufficient action against known perpetrators."
A spokesman for the NCA said it would "examine a number of potentially criminal matters identified during a recent inspection of Rotherham Metropolitan Borough Council."
Mr Pickles said he planned to give control of the council to a team of five commissioners, including an overall lead and one tasked specifically with looking at children's services. They would "provide new leadership" and take over the roles of the "wholly dysfunctional cabinet," he said.
The council has 14 days to respond to his "wholly exceptional" proposals, Mr Pickles said. He also plans to impose early elections in 2016.
The elections would give people a chance to "renew the membership of their council and elect those they have confidence in", he explained. He said he hoped control would be returned to Rotherham Council as "rapidly as possible".
That's a paraphrase, but not by much.
What's precedent ever done for us?All non-stun slaughter should be banned. "Religious freedom" belongs in Hell in this case.
Gary Glitter guilty on all charges of historical sex abuse, could get life in prison.
My name is Addy. Please call me that instead of my username."This isn’t aimed at you – it’s aimed elsewhere – it’s aimed at others."
Wow, that's pretty blatant. Reminds me of the BNP saying "controlled media".
With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.Given that the RSPCA stats say halal meat is far more likely than shechita meat to come from stunned animals, the odds on this being born out of a sincere interest in animal welfare are low in the extreme.
What's precedent ever done for us?It's UKIP, they don't have a "sincere interest" in the welfare of anything.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranNot true - some of them are very serious about curbing winter floods by reducing our number of gay people.
What's precedent ever done for us?
Data from death inquiries lost by Ministry of Justice
Officials realised the discs were missing three weeks ago and one member of staff has since been suspended. The government said it took the loss "extremely seriously".
Two of the investigations in question relate to fatal police shootings of crime suspects in London - an inquest into the death of Mark Duggan in 2011 and an inquiry into the death of Azelle Rodney in 2005. The third is an inquest into the 1997 murder of Robert Hamill by loyalists in Portadown, Northern Ireland, which campaigners claim involved the collusion of police officers.
In each inquiry there were witnesses, including police officers, who were given anonymity because of possible threats to their safety. Officials have not confirmed whether any of the missing documents included personal information relating to these witnesses.
Stupidity is the better cause here, methinks.
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