Non-descriptive character-named title: Peggy Sue

NOTE: This also applies to Groundhog Peggy Sue by extension.

I'm not sure whether Peggy Sue is really a good name. Aside from the whole Mary Sue thing, it doesn't really describe the trope, it's just the name of a character in some movie. Here's the link to the inbound links and stuff..., admittedly it doesn't seem entirely broke. That said, I can never remember what the definition of this trope is when I see it.

If not renamed, it at least needs some redirect farming.

Over a thousand inbounds? That's pretty darn healthy.

As for redirects... Live Your Life Over?

The name seems to be doing okay. Quick Google search confirms that while it may or may not predate TV Tropes, it is at least seeing usage out there in fanfic communities, and the inbounds support that, so we should probably keep the name and go with redirects.

I'll admit freely, I don't like the name at all. Too close to Mary Sue.

The first time I saw the name, I related it to Mary Sue, but it appears to be healthy. (Maybe someone can do a wick check to make sure?) Even so, I do think redirect farming is in order. Second Chance Fic?

Google says that the term Peggy Sue is a name of a song, a singer, and a band.

Besides the name issue, I think that this article needs a rewrite. Right now the description seems to indicate that it is only a fanfic trope on even though there are plenty of canon examples on the page. We ought to put greater emphasis on the canon examples over the fanfic examples, or possibly split it into Peggy Sue (canon) and Peggy Sue Fic.

I've made a topic for this before,

MY problem is that all the "sue" tropes have a special meaning on TV Tropes. Except this one.

Mary Sue - Purity Sue - Relationship Sue - Etc... All the sue tropes have a meaning. EXCEPT Peggy Sue, who breaks the mold.

And its named after works and real people atop of that.

What is the exact origin of the term Peggy Sue anyways?

Err...never mind, it's named after some movie from the 80's. One more reason to rename it.

edited 10th Jun '11 4:04:02 PM by chihuahua0

The film Peggy Sue Got Married is the Trope Namer. The Film is named after the song of the same name, which is a sequel to the song called Peggy Sue.

Confused yet?

edited 10th Jun '11 4:08:12 PM by Ghilz

It's an obscure Character Named Trope. Rename was made for cases like this. It's a fanfiction trope but has nothing to do with Mary Sue. Bids the question "why is it restricted to fanfiction".

edited 10th Jun '11 4:47:56 PM by peccantis

It certainly should not be restricted to fanfiction - if that was the case, then the Trope Namer that's the source of the problem wouldn't even be an example.

Hasn't this come up before?

The Live Your Life Over redirect seems good; why not just swap for that?

This discussion have happened before. See the last (non bot) post for the reasons we shouldn't rename it.

Stop trying to fix what is not broken. You only risk to break it yourself.

Those are good points.

But I wish there's a better way to find expried forum theads, besides looking at the page history, use Google Search, or having to dig through the sub-forum, so we could've avoided all of this.

Now the only problem is if someone wants to create a page for the band, singer, or song, a work will be linked to it, along with the Laconic and stuff...

edited 10th Jun '11 10:07:03 PM by chihuahua0

Didn't realise there'd already been a discussion on this. Only one I could find was this. Still, it's annoying to have to have a paragraph focusing on how its not a Mary Sue trope.

If it's not broken, don't fix it.

I don't get the exact difference between this and Set Right What Once Went Wrong...

Bump.

The trope name is meaningless if you don't know the (pretty obscure) work that one character is from. I'd say that's a clear reason to rename.

The source making for confusion certainly makes it broken (and I got the name instantly, but that was only because I saw the movie).

Agree with rename.

Of course if it does get renamed the first line of the article will have to be 'Also known to most fanfic writers as a "Peggy Sue Fic"'. Seriously, you can put on a writing prompt meme "<character name> Peggy Sue" and have everyone know exactly what is wanted.

edited 20th Aug '11 11:38:01 AM by CrypticMirror

I did a quick google check for "Peggy Sue" -tvtropes.org and almost everything I found was about the song, and none about the term.

However, it's hard to tell whether this is due to Peggy Sue not being used as a term outside the wiki, or a lot of people liking the song.

"peggy sue" fic -tvtropes.org brought up a first page dominated by them.