General Star Wars Animated Series

It's probably the same deal as the Outrider being in the Episode IV special edition and Xizor being in the podrace crowd in Episode I. Or, ET's species being in the Republic Senate. It's there for fans to spot, but it's ultimately meaningless.

What is with this obsession with having the Ghost crew die? What good would it serve?

And really, even if they didn't show the crew in the movie, would there really be any issue if they were alive at this point in continuity?

It would perhaps be a spoiler for later Rebels seasons if we saw too much of Phonix Squadron.

I still believe some character deaths or maimings are on the table before the show ends, so seeing the entire crew healthy would drain a lot of tension.

I agree that it would be best if the actual crew didn't show up (although I wouldn't mind if, say, Hera's voice was heard over the com - that's just one of them).

I just don't understand why according to some people, they all need by a certain point or another. Surely we can get more creative than that.

It doesn't have to be all the crew but Kanan and Ezra surviving and staying with the Rebels opens up a lot of plotholes.

Why, because Yoda said that Luke was "the last Jedi"?

Honestly, I think Yoda lying about that would be perfectly fine.

And you can find a reason not to get them involved in the movie plots. It wouldn't be that hard. Maybe a bit contrived, but it wouldn't be the first time that we had some huge coincidences in Star Wars. It's a big galaxy, and shit happens.

edited 6th Dec '16 5:23:45 PM by KarkatTheDalek

At one point in the Star Wars comic Luke vents to Leia about how there's no one left to train him now that Kenobi is dead. If Ezra and Kanan were alive and on good terms with the Rebels she should have pointed him in their direction. You can't even dismiss this as her not knowing about them since she personally met them.

Personally I think Ezra is going to fall to the Dark Side at some point in season 3 or early season 4. In the finale of the show Kanan will redeem him but die in the process. This causes Ezra to depart for the Unknown Regions in shame.

Alternatively, we could give Leia a reason not to mention them. Maybe she only thinks they're dead.

I'm just saying, there are alternatives.

That would require them to either be stuck in a place they can't escape from or uninterested in helping the Rebel cause.

I'm fine with the former, honestly.

It's probably there for consistency - the crew of the Ghost are Rebels in the growing alliance, and here this is the Rebel Alliance all flying together, so we see the Ghost as part of that.

Remember that the new approach to the EU is very different from the old approach. They're supposedly serious about plot consistency, so while they would throw in a cameo for appearances (like it appears now), they wouldn't have something there that wasn't meant to be there plotwise or didn't make sense. I wouldn't be surprised if they worked something out with Dave Filoni.

edited 6th Dec '16 6:59:55 PM by KnownUnknown

First of all, that is most assuredly not "the entire Rebel Alliance'', since the entire fleet does not come together until Return of the Jedi.

Second, that doesn't actually contradict what I said. Of course it's supposed to be the Ghost. Just like the previous examples I cited were the Outrider, Xizor, and ET's species. They just happen to not be involved in the plot.

It's not the same thing. When Xizor was in Episode 1, it was just them throwing a reference to part of the EU rather than really trying to link Xizor into the Verse - there's nothing to him being there, and his cameos are because they used an action figure as a reference placeholder for the crowd scenes. Like when the Captain America movie cameo'd the original Human Torch, it was more of a Mythology Gag.

This is a Continuity Nod. The Ghost isn't there just because it's a cool part of the EU, it also establishes that - yes - it's part of the universe and they're acknowledging that, and makes clear that the Ghost crew is still around working with the Alliance without actually having to show any of them.

It doesn't have to be the entire Rebel Alliance for it to have that effect. If it's a fleet established to be part of Rebel Alliance, then vessels within it are intended to be accepted as part of the Rebel Alliance as well.

edited 6th Dec '16 7:16:13 PM by KnownUnknown

Yes. I get that. I think you're missing the point, however.

And that point would be?

That regardless of trying to create stronger ties between media, it's still just a cameo. It holds exactly the same weight as seeing the Outrider in Mos Eisley.

Saw's presence in the movie is a much stronger example of what you're trying to get across here.

Yeah, I got that point. I'm just disagreeing with it. It's why I explained the thing with Xizor.

There's a difference between throwing in a cameo that's not intended to have any weight, and throwing in a cameo knowing it links two parts of The 'Verse. A moment doesn't have to be integral to the story to connect plots together.

To give an opposite example to the Captain America one, there's the news report on the Hulk showing up in Iron Man 2 - it adds nothing to the plot, is very easy to miss and is just there for flavor, but is a small way of establishes that the events of the two movies are happening at around the same time. Which is intentional by the writers to be interesting for people into the big picture.

Though again, the main reason this possibly significant is because so far Star Wars under Disney has been almost obsessively insistent on everything lining up plotwise and everything that features plot and is canon being absolutely in line with everything else (to the point where they (purportedly, in the back of my mind I still suspect EA is just full of crap) veto'd Battlefront having a story mode just in case it took the plot in a direction they didn't want and people accepted it as canon).

We've been told repeatedly by Word of God that there would be absolutely no trace of the Ghost crew anywhere in the movies until Rebels ended, just in case it set the future in stone. So them appearing here like this is both odd and intriguing.

edited 6th Dec '16 7:55:58 PM by KnownUnknown

Except it's not them. Not yet. It's just their ship.

So? It being just the ship and not specifically them (as far as we know so far) just increases the possibilities.

edited 6th Dec '16 8:02:45 PM by KnownUnknown

For all we know, Luke did seek out Kanan or Ezra. He got so much stronger between Episodes 5 and 6. Are we to believe he did that without an instructor? He may have had tutelage. Kanan and Ezra may have taken Ahsoka's path. "I am no Jedi" indeed.

One possibility for Luke not crossing paths with Kanan and Ezra is that they're fighting with different cells. At the end of Steps Into Shadow Hera mentions that the stolen Y-Wings are going to General Dodonna's cell (aka the cell from A New Hope). It isn't until Return of the Jedi that all the Rebels fight together as one massive group.

@Karkat The Dalek

No obsession, I just don't want to see any of them alive and have the possibility of anything happening before the end of the series be spoiled.

edited 7th Dec '16 12:42:02 PM by yellowturtle

Well, I think the chances of an actual appearance would be pretty slim. The way you said it, though, it sounded like you wanted them dead.

I must part be of the Empire

Just met Hera's dad. Wookiepiedia says he was in a couple episode of Clone Wars. I don't recall him specifically. There's a scene where he gets into an argument with Hera and she starts speaking with a, I guess Rylothian? accent. It was a nice touch.