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edited 11th Apr '18 6:31:51 PM by dRoy

sunember123 Cheesus! Since: Jun, 2012
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#6851: Feb 25th 2013 at 9:41:37 AM

Better yet, make that one who decide you. Because your idea of worth defines the "equivalent" part, anyone who can control his beliefs can game the system.

Inception meets XXXHolic.

edited 25th Feb '13 10:00:12 AM by sunember123

Noaqiyeum Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they) from the gentle and welcoming dark (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#6852: Feb 25th 2013 at 11:48:21 AM

Get together a miserly wizard and a starving wizard and you could end world hunger for free and still become fabulously wealthy!

edited 25th Feb '13 11:49:57 AM by Noaqiyeum

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Hermiethefrog Since: Jan, 2001
#6853: Feb 25th 2013 at 2:46:43 PM

How legitimate is "It's based off of me/my friends" in terms of research?

Like, say you have a character with depression. You are depressed yourself. Is that enough to go off of? Just curious to see what you guys think.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#6854: Feb 25th 2013 at 2:47:22 PM

I have no idea what the "-ed bit means.

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LastHussar The time is now, from the place is here. Since: Jul, 2009
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#6855: Feb 25th 2013 at 3:20:53 PM

Do men buy themselves cologne/aftershave? I never have - tend to be gifts.

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Nocturna Since: May, 2011
#6856: Feb 25th 2013 at 5:28:53 PM

@Hermie: For something like that I think it's sufficient, but keep in mind personality will affect that way people react to things like that.

risingdreamer Insert witty title here from Peixeroland Since: Nov, 2010
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#6857: Feb 26th 2013 at 10:13:02 AM

I'm very sorry, but could you guys help me see which character of these: http://usui.moo.jp/rpg_actor_f.html would be a best fit for her: http://mysoundofwaters.tumblr.com/post/44042307868/jue-acharn-ar-tonelico

Either that, or faceclaim. And hooray for being allowed to use these characters as long as you credit.

Ah, summer, what power you have to make us suffer and like it. ~Russel Baker
MCE Grin and tonic from Elsewhere Since: Jan, 2001
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#6858: Feb 26th 2013 at 2:10:52 PM

Is it feasible that a humanoid robot could be to be intentionally designed to be in the uncanny valley, yet not upset people? Basically it would have a humans shape but you wouldn't mistake it for a human.

Also: Anyone one else had to repeatedly rephrase a question and still not be sure if it makes sense?

Update: question badly phrased/incorrect use of term. Please read clarification in my next post. Sorry about that.

edited 27th Feb '13 3:33:29 AM by MCE

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LastHussar The time is now, from the place is here. Since: Jul, 2009
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#6859: Feb 26th 2013 at 2:16:11 PM

If it's not upsetting/discomforting then is it really in the uncanny valley?

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risingdreamer Insert witty title here from Peixeroland Since: Nov, 2010
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#6860: Feb 26th 2013 at 2:34:23 PM

I'm thinking... Maybe OP meant something "not creepily human-like" but still human like. Like BJ Ds.

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risingdreamer Insert witty title here from Peixeroland Since: Nov, 2010
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#6862: Feb 26th 2013 at 3:13:04 PM

Pretty much, yeah.

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LastHussar The time is now, from the place is here. Since: Jul, 2009
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#6863: Feb 26th 2013 at 3:47:28 PM

The Uncanny Valley entry seems to specifically rule out robots like C 3 PO. Uncanny Valley is the point where acceptance drops due to not-quite-rightness, thus being creepy.

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peasant Since: Mar, 2011
#6864: Feb 26th 2013 at 3:54:07 PM

I agree. Uncanny Valley is pretty much about getting wigged out because something is clearly trying to come off as human but just isn't quite succeeding.

Noaqiyeum Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they) from the gentle and welcoming dark (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
#6865: Feb 26th 2013 at 4:12:51 PM

Right. So MCE was definitely misusing the term, but we were trying to figure out what was actually wanted.

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MCE Grin and tonic from Elsewhere Since: Jan, 2001
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#6866: Feb 27th 2013 at 3:26:27 AM

My bad, could have phrased that better. You want it to be human looking enough that it can do jobs that require a human normally, but after spending a couple of minutes with it you would realise two things 1) definitely not human 2) I'm perfectly okay with that.

Probably more personality programming than physical appearance, although giving in unnatural coloured eyes and some kind of mark would probably be a good idea as well.

On the note anyone have any suggestions for a 'symbol of artificiality'? Like a tattoo that means 'this is a robot'. A bar-code is a good start, but I was hoping for something more elegant.

The kind of work they would be doing includes

  • Tour guide
  • Secretarial work
  • Long term care of special needs people
  • Care of the elderly

edited 27th Feb '13 3:28:42 AM by MCE

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fishsicles An Ex-Troper from Down The Curtain Since: Oct, 2009 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#6867: Feb 27th 2013 at 5:10:34 AM

1) definitely not human
2) I'm perfectly okay with that.

I doubt there is any kind of design that would automatically get everyone to have this reaction; refer to the Uncanny Valley being a Subjective Trope.

Not nearly a good enough singer for the Choir Invisible, and the Basement Room With A Synth Invisible is much less prestigious.
ArsThaumaturgis Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#6868: Feb 27th 2013 at 6:39:54 AM

Perhaps your "symbol of artificiality" might be something related to the standard "power" symbol; perhaps, instead of a broken circle with a vertical line, you might have a closed circle either containing a vertical line or with an intersecting vertical line. The association with other machines should provide the connection to "artificiality".

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LastHussar The time is now, from the place is here. Since: Jul, 2009
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#6870: Feb 27th 2013 at 11:32:29 AM

I think going with a C 3 P 0 would be better- you know what you're getting from the start. A Data or Bishop is too realistic, and freaks humans. A 'Marked Human' may produce the same reaction as a 'slightly not perfect' human gets- you couldn't take your eyes off the mark - think of someone with a hairy mole!

Rimmer gets away with the perfect with-an-H because it's comedy, and its about his character, the holographic bit is incidental.

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MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#6871: Feb 27th 2013 at 12:02:38 PM

How important are the first 3 weeks of development for a baby? As in, if the first three weeks were abusive and painful (but not brain damaging), but then immediately stopped once put into a loving home, what would be the long lasting effects?

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MCE Grin and tonic from Elsewhere Since: Jan, 2001
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#6872: Feb 27th 2013 at 12:06:07 PM

fishsicles:I doubt there is any kind of design that would automatically get everyone to have this reaction; refer to the Uncanny Valley being a Subjective Trope.

Perhaps 'I'll accept this' would be more likely and the rest would come as society comes to adjust to them.

Ars Thaumaturgis:Perhaps your "symbol of artificiality" might be something related to the standard "power" symbol; perhaps, instead of a broken circle with a vertical line, you might have a closed circle either containing a vertical line or with an intersecting vertical line. The association with other machines should provide the connection to "artificiality".

That could work.

Noaqiyeum:Or something like the autonomous device warning sign?
Good idea, nice site recommendation.

Last Hussar:I think going with a C 3 P 0 would be better- you know what you're getting from the start. A Data or Bishop is too realistic, and freaks humans. A 'Marked Human' may produce the same reaction as a 'slightly not perfect' human gets- you couldn't take your eyes off the mark - think of someone with a hairy mole!

Rimmer gets away with the perfect with-an-H because it's comedy, and its about his character, the holographic bit is incidental.

Would most people be happy to interact with a C3P0 like robot? Including those with mental health problems? C3P0 isn't know for his reassuring facial expressions. There would also be the fact that extensive exposure to that kind of robot could have people forgetting how to interact with normal humans.

edited 27th Feb '13 2:01:15 PM by MCE

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MorwenEdhelwen Aussie Tolkien freak from Sydney, Australia Since: Jul, 2012
Aussie Tolkien freak
#6873: Feb 27th 2013 at 12:56:34 PM

How plausible is it that an African-American person in the future would have a very obviously Scandinavian name, especially an uncommon one? I'm thinking of naming my hero's mother Hiordis, which was her name in the original legend (the reveal of who she actually was would be part of the plot). Hiordis is an uncommon name even in Scandinavia. (Most of the Google results refer to the legendary figure). Would it be stretching it to have the parents have the same names?

edited 27th Feb '13 1:07:44 PM by MorwenEdhelwen

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peasant Since: Mar, 2011
#6874: Feb 27th 2013 at 1:27:18 PM

[up] Does he live in Scandinavia? Or have any Scandinavian relatives/ancestors? Or is he (or rather, his parents) immersed in/exposed to Scandinavian culture in any other way? If your answer is no to all of the above, then I think it would be stretching it a little for your character to have a Scandinavian name. Basically, it's not so much a question of plausibility but WHY a parent would give their child such a name. If you can think of a reason, it should be fine(-ish).

ArsThaumaturgis Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
#6875: Feb 27th 2013 at 4:18:42 PM

[up][up] I don't see a problem, especially if information becomes more available in the future. Indeed, I see a number of options, I believe, including Scandinavian ancestry (even if it's not immediately apparent to the eye), a liking for Scandinavian culture, myths or stories (or even a liking for appropriate stories in general, including those from Scandinavia), Scandinavian names having become more common in the intervening time or even simply having seen the name once and liked it.

edited 27th Feb '13 4:19:44 PM by ArsThaumaturgis

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