Actually, Akira could be divided into "Film-Akira" and "Manga-Akira".
My opinion is if it got a theatrical release, it should go in Film. Tropes about the Hetalia movie, Ghibli stuff, Ghost in the Shell, etc would go in Film and tropes about manga/OA Vs without theater release stay in Anime/Manga.
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The problem with that is the vast majority of them are intertwined together and you end up with dupes in 2 or more places.
Ghost In The Shell and Akira will be near impossible to sort since the movies, anime, manga all use the same tropes in different ways.
Same for say Mobile Suit Gundam 00 and Gundam 00 Awakening Of The Trailblazer or Zeta Gundam and the Zeta Gundam Remake Movies (which have a few different tropes but not enough to separate the pages.) or Nanoha's S1 Movie.
Also people will always look in Anime and Manga because they didn't get a theatrical release here just straight to DVD which is the exact same as most of the other animes we get in the US. Getting a broadcast is rare (even getting a dub is rare now.).
I could see if it gets a Theatrical release here but that gets messy with Pokemon, Digimon ect.
edited 24th Mar '11 11:56:29 PM by Raso
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How about this: If works are on differing media, but share the continuity, they all get clumped under the first-released work.
So if an anime series gets spin-off movies, they get filed under "Anime and Manga", and if a movie spawns a TV-series, they are put in "Film - Live-Action".
It's easy, mmkay?
If works are on differing media but do not share continuity are they put under different categories?
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I still don't see why we can't just put them all under Anime and Manga and be done with it.
To return to the purported subject of this thread, create a Film: Animated category, move the examples over, and move on.
Issues regarding the Anime and Manga category should go in a different thread.
^But this is an issue regarding what should be moved to that category from Anime and Manga. So it's quite relevant to this thread.
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Yeah, this should be a thread for example classification ambiguity in general.
Often people don't know if the trope occurs in the other media: they may not have seen the other media of the work, they may even not know it exists, they may not know what the original one was. So in practice, it has been like U.S. vs Commonwealth english- whoever comes first sets it up for the page.
This actually has benefits. Over many pages, this averages out to the one that the general population is most likely to be familiar with or the one where the trope is more obvious. So you get an example that is like:
- Example of trope from medium you might be more familiar
- Comparison with other medium you are less familiar with. Reason for difference. Expansion of your knowledge about the work.
- Interesting Trivia that aids understanding.
- Comparison with other medium you are less familiar with. Reason for difference. Expansion of your knowledge about the work.
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Which is bad formatting* , but that's neither here nor there.
The real question is whether the films go in "Film - Animated" or just "Anime". I mainly stuck it in the Anime/ namespace to avoid conflict with the allegedly upcoming live-action adaptation.
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Except every single plot element from the movie is used in the tv series over the course of 50 episodes just a little differently (The manga vs movie are not different enough to require a separate page IMO but meh the tv series has enough stand alone 
tropes for it's own page). If it's used in the movie it's used in the manga or tv series. Exceptions to that are pretty rare.
And there is the casual fans not connecting Ghost In The Shell to a feature film since it's just a DVD here like the rest of the animes there isnt any kind of sorting films vs tv series for anime at a video store.
Gets worse with Chars Counterattack, Gundam F 91, and the rest of the Gundam movies (series remakes or stand alone movies and OAV series) as all examples are sorted under Gundam as they can monopolize a page. Also the Nanoha (Manga, TV series, movie, sound stages), Haruhi movie, as well as the upcoming movies for K On, Hayate No Gotoku, Negima will have issues.
edited 25th Mar '11 11:38:07 PM by Raso
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Bumping this because I want to highlight just how ambiguous example classification can be when media are interconnected.
Look at the western animation section of Cats Are Mean. It starts out with a subsection about the way cats are portrayed in Disney animation, including both cartoons and animated movies. I suppose you could try to separate the film examples from the cartoon examples, but then you have the issue of Disney characters in Kingdom Hearts listed in the western animation section rather than the video game section because it's there for comparison to the Disney animated works from which they came. How on Earth do you decide how to organize THAT?
Disney film examples go in Film - Animated, shorts and TV series go in Western Animation, and Kingdom Hearts goes in Videogames. If a given character is portrayed in multiple media, then list them in both sections, with notices along the lines of "In contrast with their portrayal in the original animated short (see Western Animation, below)" where necessary.
So, add them to each section then?
Ok, Meta Four, that makes sense.
My own humble suggestion: Film could become Feature Film. This would clear all doubts as to where short-film examples (shouldn't) go.
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I'm not sure why, I don't think we even separate short films out on their own.
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I don't think we need further categorization anyway.
I think we should re-amalgamate animated films back under western animation. Lets face it, the honest reason it was split was just the anti-anime faction wanting something else at the top of the page, because "zOMg tehs interweebs thinks we likez anime". It's really beginning to get irksome that it seems all site policy seems to be directed at trying to win approval from other sites. Sites that would probably mock this site no matter what we did because, mocking stuff is what they do.
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That's not the reason it was split, Cryptic Mirror. Please don't try to reignite that old battle.
It was split off because on any six trope pages, the same animated movie, Bambi for example, could be in Western Animation on two of them and Film on the other four, while Winnie The Pooh And The Blustery Day could be in Western Animation on four, and Film on two. It was virtually impossible to predict where an animated movie was going to be listed.
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Out of curiosity, what do we do with mixed?
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If there's both live-action and animation in a movie, I'd call it whichever is predominant. Hence The Phantom Tollbooth is animation and Mary Poppins is live-action.
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How do we evaluate "predominant"?
Which is Space Jam? It's 50% animated, 50% live action.
All this split does is make it so that there's seven different places that animated films could be instead of six.
edited 7th Sep '11 11:38:47 AM by shimaspawn
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^ The problem is that that won't work with single works that fall under multiple categories. For example, Akira can be classified as "Film - Animated" (being a theatrically-released animated production) and as "Anime" (being an animated production from japan). There are no "components" that it can be broken down into.
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