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At least it's better than having the same "colors writers bad" arguments every five pages.
I suppose that is pretty frequent.
edited 29th Apr '17 10:28:01 PM by Soble
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And because the publisher hates money and prioritized fighting game fans, Central Fiction was never dubbed. Thanks, BB.
At least there's no fear of that with Sonic.
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Are Colors writers really that bad? I mean, yeah, they did get a little cheesy, but they improved a little in Lost World. For instance, I wasn't expecting them to take advantage of Sonic going Leeroy Jenkins with the conch thing. Of course, it was undone pretty quickly, but still.
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
I'm pretty sure money (or lack of it or whatever) was the reason CF wasn't dubbed, but that's for the Blaz Blue thread.
Aaaaand here we go again...
edited 29th Apr '17 10:30:56 PM by PhysicalStamina
They have a better grasp of dialogue than the writers behind the Adventure/Heroes games did. Conversations didn't end on weird notes like, "You're not even good enough to be my fake- I'll make you eat those words!" and Sonic didn't use phrases like, "Come back here, ya big drip!"
YMMV on how they choose to characterize Sonic and pals. The Colors writers took a Lighter and Softer approach to writing the main characters - Eggman flanderized as a bumbling mad scientist whose own creations laugh at him, Sonic refusing to take Eggman or any of his appearances seriously, Tails' constant technobabble, Amy and Knuckles' increasing irrelevance.
Some don't mind the change to lighter, goofier storytelling and the more recent characterizations. Some do.
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Some are more focused on whether the gameplay is good than the dialogue/writing/plot.
None of these positions are indefensible.
edited 30th Apr '17 8:46:35 PM by Soble
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Oh god that particular Sonic vs. Shadow dialogue wasn't bad because the voice work persay but because they kept awkwardly talking over each other. And even then that convo was still funny which I am pretty sure they were not intending.
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That makes sense.
CHADhan Player.
I'm mixed on Pontac and Graff; I don't think they're the second coming of the apocalypse but I'm really not going to sing their praises either. They have their pros and cons, but I ultimately feel that they're neither better nor worse than prior games in terms of writing dialogue.
That said, I lean more towards not really caring about their written dialogue for the series, and exasperates the issues I've had with Sonic dialogue in general. Too. Much. Talking. Particularly talking about nothing relevant, witty, or notable in particular. It's mostly an issue embedded within the game's design though and not really the writers themselves, they just get hired to fill in the blanks, but good god are Sonic cutscenes boring nowadays as a result. Because most of them just really amount to the characters standing in one spot and either: 1. Talking about what's going on screen or 2. Spouting one-liners in an obvious attempt at being funny.
I'm not going to start singing the praises of dialogue from prior games, because it's honestly just as bad and worse in a lot of areas I'll admit. However, I felt it was a lot easier to ignore it because things were actually happening in cutscenes beyond the characters simply talking. This cutscene has about as much dumb dialogue as newer games.
, but it also has Sonic drop kicking a golem with butt rock playing. Don't recall many examples of that in recent games :V
As for their characterizations...I'm actually fine with them for the most part because they do stay true to the characters while adding their flare to them. YMMV obviously, but I think it's serviceable. Tails` little stint in Lost World notwithstanding (seriously, fuck him in that game). And I think it goes without saying that Eggman is one of the best parts of every game as a result. I may knock him for not being treated as seriously as I think he should given his position, but I will not lie and say that every cutscene with him isn't entertaining in some way. Unlike Sonic and Tails, who try to be funny, Eggman is able to just work with it a lot better and Mike Pollock gives his A game, it just feels so much more natural. Still kind of miffed about how badly the Deadly Six were shafted however. Lost World was an attempt at injecting some life, it wasn't perfect by any means but they tried and I commend them for it at least.
I feel I'd be able to tolerate their dialogue for the series a lot better if the characters were actually able to do something again. No amount of one-liners, or Eggman being awesome can cover up the fact that the game are so boring whenever there's a cutscene. No sense of progression or urgency...just characters standing around and...talking..and talking. I also feel like their plot progression needs work as well because good god Lost World is a mess because of it. Looks like we're stuck with them for the long haul, so I'd rather see them improve and get better than to be thrown to the wayside due to fan reception. But my cynicism just makes me believe Forces is going to be more of the same if they're on board for this too...
edited 29th Apr '17 11:27:15 PM by BlackYakuzu94
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Snow Ghost
It'd be nice if Sonic used that homing attack on an enemy...and not simply to save Tails from his own mistake.
You want stuff like...Tails saving Sonic from a trap...action...
Except not as forced.
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Define "recent." If you mean from Colors onward, Lost World had Sonic screwing things up twice and when Eggman broke down that ice wall with his bare hands.
If you're factoring when the "Modern" era started, I can point you to quite a few scenes in Zero Gravity, Black Knight, and Unleashed.
edited 29th Apr '17 11:44:26 PM by erazor0707
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
Formerly G.G.
Have you guys read this article? It makes a very good case for the writing of SA2.
See, that’s the thing. SA 2 never forces comedy or brings attention to it. It never turns to the audience and says, “oh look! I made a pun! Did you catch that?” But comedy is still there, it’s just a different kind of comedy. Pontac comedy is obvious, Maekawa comedy is more downplayed. That’s why it’s tasteful use of comedy. It’s Aristotelian comedy, not Three Stooges. It doesn’t get in the way, but it does help the story feel less weighty. It makes the story more like a well-blended Empire Strikes Back kind of a story, and less like a A New Hope kind of story. (Does that make the Pontac games the Prequel Trilogy? I see Jar Jar fitting into that analogy somehow).
The comedic moments of SA 2 stem naturally from character interactions, not from an array of cheeky punchlines (*cough* Pontac and Gaff). Amy Rose, in particular, is the designated comedic relief character of the whole game.
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>Those games were over 9 years ago.
Yea, those sure are recent :V
When I say recent, I'm more referring to games 2010 onward. Those games you mentioned are actually some of the less egregious examples and probably have some of the best action sequences in the series.
And I did say Lost World was an improvement overall, it just missed the mark on a few things.
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Snow Ghost
That's a good use of Rosey the Rascal's character development....
Comic Relief. Good, good.
It also explains a lot, Heroes was a lot better.
"Only 3 lasers? A heroes welcome!"
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Then again, it's not like all of SA2's comedic moments hit the mark either. In fact, if the game makes you laugh at all, it's usually not supposed to.
Frankly I hope Pontgraff got sacked for Forces just so I'll never have to hear about them again.
edited 30th Apr '17 1:17:40 AM by PhysicalStamina
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I'll just drop by to state that Sonic Colors had hilarious dialogue, but most of the good stuff was in PA announcements you could barely hear.
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https://youtu.be/veSFrIVKXOY?t=8
Reminds me of that one line from Akuma.
"This is just as easy as punching an infant... not that I would ever do that!"
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
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There's a whole bunch of old-world Sonic fanfics that weren't that bad :V
Of course most of them are based on SATAM rather than game canon :V
Say, who's your favourite fanfic OC? Mine would have to be a tie between Packbell (appears in multiple fics from numerous authors, can't remember original debut) and the version of Elias who meets a grisly end in Project Mobitropolis.
edited 30th Apr '17 8:24:39 AM by AceOfScarabs
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Shadow the Hedgehog.
Blaze the Cat.
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I don't see how either of those two are fanfic OCs (unless it was a snide insult) but whatever.
Blaze the Cat is my favorite Sonic character, though.
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Snow Ghost
Blaze can't be an OC...she wears clothes.
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Shadow is not an edgelord, Blaze is not an fanfic character,.....you know what forget it, I do not want to get into that.
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