DreamWorks stuff

Nicolas Cage. ;P

Obviously an Antz crossover.

Implication of human x bee relationship.

Live-action remake?

You look at all the stuff the first Shrek movie got away with—thank you Double Toasted—and that right there shows how much animated movies could indeed fit in without getting a higher rating than PG for a while—and it was indeed quite special and amazing. The South Park and Simpsons movies were notable exceptions with their R and PG-13 ratings respectively as both of those had already garnered very well-known reputations in adult/mature animation beforehand. Something like Toy Story 3 having the incinerator scene while being rated G is likely what drastically changed the landscape of what was appropriate for only G moving forward now certainly—though Cars 2 having sentient vehicles getting crushed, maimed or blown up also somehow managed a G too.

Antz with the "Who the hell is that" reaction to the Penny among other swear words thrown throughout the movie did make for a very entertaining and unique experience in an animated film without a doubt. Also yeah, the movie's mature story about both your identity and place in life—along with the threat of extinction when someone from the stronger race deems you expendable—is indeed quite the adult outlet for a movie that many kids would end up seeing.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 6th 2024 at 8:54:39 AM

What Measure Is a Non-Human? gets you away with a lot in animation, apparently.

Oh clearly. You look at Cars 3 and it having that crazy accident that Lightning was in definitely stood out while the rest of the movie did probably fit the G rating (the second was 2011 and the third was 2017). You look at Toy Story 4 getting a G thanks to not having anything as dark as the incinerator scene in it too and again, goes to show.

The recent Chicken Run movie while maybe only slightly more violent and savage probably than the first one—which in 2000 got a G—ended up with a PG in 2023. The Chicken Run movies are surprisingly dark and it is a bit of a surprise what they got managed to get away with—especially with the first one being the first G rated DW movie too.

The Road to El Dorado also has a few colorful metaphors here and there.

Also Chel

HOLY... SHIP!

Lol

The only 2002 Best Animated Feature nominee I figure had a chance at beating the first Shrek was definitely Monsters Inc. as I said because that's still a great freaking movie after all these years. The first Shrek handily won for a reason though: it definitely changed the game more so than the other two did. It was definitely the uniquest and most effective of the three—even with the other two definitely being great and having their strengths as well.

I figured on the principle alone of Mike Myers being in it that the first Shrek would be PG-13. I didn't need the knowledge of adult humor for that as an almost 10-year-old at the time, so go figure. Haha.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Feb 6th 2024 at 9:30:10 AM

I wouldn't say The Road to El Dorado has anything warranting higher than PG to me. The iffiest stuff is the characters being allowed to bleed, which the censors are traditionally harsh on, but The Prince of Egypt had an entire river of blood and that was fine for PG. Chel is sexy, sure, but Parental Bonus =/= completely inappropriate for kids.

For Shrek, they were notably a lot more careful about not showing blood than in their 2D films, even when there should have been blood (like in the pulling the arrow out of the butt scene). Maybe they realized they needed to be careful about keeping the movie PG.

Edited by PhiSat on Feb 6th 2024 at 10:31:58 AM

Remembering what I do about that movie, I could see things in it certainly being a lot more risqué in live action than I do in animation—and with Road to El Dorado, even animation is pushing the envelope too.

@Ulti: Yup. Chel is as beautiful as a statue come to life.

@AegisP: You got that right. XD

There is a scene which very heavily implies that Tulio and Chel are having sex, or at the very least doing some heavy petting.

(EDIT: got characters mixed up on spoiler tag.)

Edited by TonyG on Feb 6th 2024 at 4:10:18 PM

> (like in the pulling the arrow out of the butt scene).

I don't even want to think about how messy this would be in real life

I can't think of anything in El Dorado that was more risque than Ariel's whole deal in the Little Mermaid (especially that expended period where she's completely naked), and that film was rated G.

Granted, that was the 80's.

They're definitely only every shown making out (and even then, always just offscreen). Which is PG, for sure, but not PG-13.

I think a good rule of thumb is, if its' the kind of scene you see all the time in Romantic Comedies, it's probably going to be PG at worst.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2024 at 11:50:22 AM

The Jaw Drop the horse makes when he walks in on them suggested the PG-13 version to me.

So post coital scenes where we get to see a guys naked ass. Got it.

LOL just kidding.

There is a scene where Tzekel-Kan almost walks in on them and the two are on the floor in a compromising position with tousled hair, but the animators are very careful to have the characters fully clothed wherever the camera is focusing.

Edited by PhiSat on Feb 6th 2024 at 1:40:08 PM

That's the scene I was talking about, yeah.

Again, they're clearly just making out.

Them making out, rather than merely kissing chastely, is definitely one of the reasons why the film is PG and not G, but it's nothing that would push it to PG-13.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2024 at 12:42:52 PM

Ehh, I think there's enough sex-related tropes going on there that the animators were implying something else, but that it can be debated at all probably means it's censor-safe.

I don't think so. The kissing sounds, the mussed hair, the dazed expression, those are all classic "character is making out and in Post-Kiss Catatonia" tropes. That plus the fact that they're clearly fully clothed (and the scene somewhat relies on it, since Tulio has to immediately talk with Tzekel, making it clear that they're not just clothed for censorship purposes) pretty much clinches it.

I don't see anything that specifically nods to it being something more intimate that isn't already a trope that isn't also associated with things that are less intimate. If that's a popular belief from the fandom, I'd suspect it's more that the fandom's "sex icon" perception of Chel is far more extreme than the actual character was.

This scene is less risque than the earlier scene where Chel starts to take off Tulio's shirt, and even that made it evident that it was a makeout and not sex.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2024 at 12:51:07 PM

All of the above are also sex tropes, and Chel was straddling him. But I digress, it's not really important because the plausible deniability probably means it was censor-safe.

That is what I said, yes:

They could be both. So we have to make a judgment call as to whether the animators intended it as a sex thing or as a makeout thing. And since all signs point better to it being a makeout, reading it as a sex scene is odd base.

As another rule of thumb, if a trope could both conceivably be a sex thing or not sex thing, and the very adult periphery demographic is trying to sell it as a sex thing while the actual media was made for children, it's a safe bet that the periphery demographic is the one that's off base.

Or in short, this one of those situations where the "lol it could be a sex" joke is probably best left as a joke.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 6th 2024 at 1:01:25 AM