Weren't we doing something with this?: Chinese Girl

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1 Deboss19th Feb 2011 09:56:01 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Like either making a horde of Anime stereotypes or something?
2 shimaspawn19th Feb 2011 10:39:06 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
Yes, I think we were going to name it Anime Chinese Girl or something along those lines since the trope is how Chinese Girls are treated in Japanese Media, and they aren't the same ways as western works treat them. There was a parents trope to it as well that was getting the same treatment.
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I'm against it, since "how Chinese Girls are treated in Japanese Media" doesn't really add to the definition. We need a good list of character traits besides the accent, qipao and Odango Hair.

edited 19th Feb '11 10:44:18 AM by Prfnoff

4 shimaspawn19th Feb 2011 10:47:26 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
You're missing the bits about them being But Not To Foreign. There are different ways that different cultural groups portray other races. This one isn't how Western audiences show them.

Notice how the western examples at the end don't really fit ANYTHING about the trope as described other than being Chinese. They really should be cut.

edited 19th Feb '11 10:48:40 AM by shimaspawn

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5 NoirGrimoir17th Apr 2011 08:46:06 PM from San Diego, CA , Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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Yes, probably needs a name change to indicate this is mostly anime-specific, and it should note that Chinese Girls are almost always Action Girls and/or MysteriousWaifs, are StrangeGirls or Genki Girls and/or are Proud Warrior Race Girls. The character type also usually stretches to includes Tibettans and Mongolians, but not Koreans because of No Koreans in Japan.

edited 17th Apr '11 8:46:35 PM by NoirGrimoir

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We rejected Anime Chinese Girl and came up with a different name. What happened to the old thread?
7 Deboss20th Apr 2011 12:58:25 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
We did? I thought we were planning to make a bunch of Anime based tropes to parallel the Hollywood X horde.
8 shimaspawn20th Apr 2011 01:05:19 AM from Here and Now , Relationship Status: In your bunk
[up] That's what I thought as well.
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Yeah, but we decided that "Anime" was inaccurate because it wasn't anime only, but all Japanese media.

We then got bogged down in a discussion what phrasing would be best.

I think I was for Chinese Girl In Japan, with the format X In Japan.

But other people wanted something else... I can't remember the other suggestions.

edited 20th Apr '11 8:08:22 AM by Sackett

10 Deboss20th Apr 2011 08:16:52 AM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
Not all Hollywood X tropes are limited to stuff made in California, but it's the largest well known media producer of the area. Anime is the largest media related thingy people are likely to know about Japan.
11 nrjxll4th May 2011 04:24:25 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
[up][up][up]Chinese Girl In Japan is point-missing; the point is about portrayal of Chinese characters in Japanese media, regardless of the setting of the work.
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13 Deboss4th May 2011 05:40:59 PM from Awesomeville Texas
I see the Awesomeness.
I think Sackett meant a stereotype from Japan, not a person in Japan.
I'd prefer Anime Chinese for the reason stated above.
I'm fine with Anime Chinese. It gets the core idea across, and as far as I can tell Anime Hair is doing okay even if the name isn't 100% literal.
16 nrjxll4th May 2011 08:41:52 PM , Relationship Status: Not war
I also prefer Anime Chinese, for the reasons stated by Deboss.

[up]Although are there any non-anime examples of Anime Hair that are not either Animesque or parodies of the trope in anime?
Manga and Japanese videogames, obviously. I guess they could be considered 'animesque', but not in the sense of that trope.

These are pretty much the same places you see the sort of Chinese stereotypes found in anime, needless to say.
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I am fine with Anime Chinese Girl. Like Anime Hair says its just a catchall term. We could do a Tropes In Japan index for clarification as well if needed.

edited 4th May '11 11:49:12 PM by Raso

Anime Chinese Girl has my vote. The current title is way too generic. This trope is really about the way Anime sees Chinese girls. The page title makes no mention of this.
I think I remember a topic about this before too. Whatever the case may be, I think it would not hurt to start with a single proposition rename crowner and then go from there.

I think Anime Chinese Girl may be a bit too narrow, but I still like it better than the other names that have been discussed so if the trope is renamed, I would be fine with it.
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Its fine. 90% of the examples will be from anime/manga anyway, and the rest from JP videogames. Why pretend that we're suddenly going to get an influx of people posting tropes from J-Drama?
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[up]Well, who knows, we may get such an influx. Even if we don't, I'd rather not have a definition that's too narrow.

It's a fact that Japanese works on this wiki are mainly animé/manga and video games, due to the biases of editing members. That doesn't mean that we should discount the existence of the gigantic amount of Japanese works that don't belong to those media.
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I never said the description should be restricted to anime, though that is what the vast majority of the examples will be from.

And yeah, thats not going to happen, so spare me the hand wringing over "anime specific" tropes.

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I support the rename to Anime Chinese Girl. But what do we do about the related trope, Chinese People? It basically has the same problem, being that most of the examples are Japan-centric, except that I'm not convinced it's really a trope at all. It's really just a list of Chinese people, with some stereotypes thrown in. Though arguably, it could have been a trope that got diluted by a lot of bad examples that just listed Chinese characters without regard to any trope because of the generic title.
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[up]It's been discussed. If Chinese Girl is renamed to Anime Chinese Girl, then Chinese People should be renamed to Anime Chinese People.
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Alternative Titles: Chinese Girl
2nd Jun '11 5:16:46 PM
Vote up names you like, vote down names you don't. Whether or not the title will actually be changed is determined with a different kind of crowner (the Single Proposition crowner). This one just collects and ranks alternative titles.
At issue:
Previous single proposition crowner showed consensus support for renaming Chinese Girl among those who voted.

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