Shares its name with a work: Man In The Iron Mask

I did find a couple instances of misuse in its 32 wicks and fixed them, but Man in the Iron Mask shares its name with The Man In The Iron Mask anyway, so it needs a rename. Any suggestions?

Was Man in the Iron Mask a pre-existing term?

Since it's a plot trope, I think the best solution is to make the trope Man In The Iron Mask Plot. It will be easy to fix wicks (they won't have to be moved in alphabetical lists or have sentences rewritten to accommodate the change), and "plot" makes it clear that this is a plot trope, not a character trope.

^ Nope. It was the title of the book first.

edited 12th Feb '11 4:11:18 PM by Madrugada

Madrugada's idea sounds good to me. Easiest and Man in the Iron Mask has enough Pop Culture Osmosis so people pretty much instantly knows what it means.

Fair enough. I'd challenge the pop culture osmosis stand but I don't want to fight about it.

On the other hand, it's not always the focus of the plot. The Man in the Iron Mask is often a secondary character. So, more like Man In The Iron Mask Maneuver for the act of imprisonment...? Or something?

No, it's not just the type of imprisonmment. It's an entire plot. It may be used as a sublplot, but it's a plot.

^ Nope. It was the title of the book first.

Nope. The book is The Vicomte of Bragelonne: Ten Years Later. "The Man In The Iron Mask" is the name of a volume of the book (They are "The Vicomte de Bragelonne", "Louise de la Vallière", and "The Man in the Iron Mask.")

I'd be willing to give it a slide as the expression (and the name of said character) has outgrown the work it is born from

edited 12th Feb '11 5:26:21 PM by Ghilz

It's also a 1998 film and the title of most American releases of the book since then which still pre-dates the wiki.

It`s also the name (Well title) of a historical person, which predates the works and was the inspiration for the books. Natch.

And generally historically named tropes are excused (See The Quisling)

edited 12th Feb '11 5:42:57 PM by Ghilz

The Image lacks a person in an Iron Mask

No, it doesn't. It shows someone locked up all alone. A literal mask is not necessary. Please read the trope.

Can we lock this?

It's not resolved.

While there isn't any substantial misuse yet, it's probable that there will be eventually as the Trope Namer fades out of the collective consciousness. While 34 wicks and 52 inbounds is a decent number, I'm wondering if it would be more substantial if it weren't named after a movie, especially since the name itself doesn't describe the trope at all.

It's NOT named after a movie. It's named after a person who really existed. And we've had many discussions before on tropes named after historical people are NOT automatic renames unlike tropes named after works.

It's the name of a dude, whose real identity is unknown, who was the basis for the book (thanks to some speculation by Awesome Quote Provider Voltaire). His name became the name of a part of the book, who in turn gave its name to the movie. But it's still the name of a person first.

edited 17th Mar '11 1:01:55 PM by Ghilz

But it's not named after the historical figure because it describes bits added into the book. The trope itself does not describe the historical figure at all.

edited 17th Mar '11 1:03:27 PM by MC42

There was misuse too. It was being confused for both the book and the film. Although I already fixed it, which in retrospect seems kinda dumb. >_>

Madrugada's suggestion of Man In The Iron Mask Plot works okay for me.

Yeah it does. The guy was the inspiration for the book. And he was in jail. The theory that he was the king's half brother is what Voltaire (who lived during the same period) speculated about.

edited 17th Mar '11 1:05:26 PM by Ghilz

And how does this fix the fact that a large number of bad wiks about the book and the film had to be removed from the page.

There were like 4-9ish bad wicks, I think? Now I've forgotten. Probably somewhere in that range. Out of 32, that's certainly significant.

So we have 15-30% of the wicks being bad, it's work dependent, incoherent if you're unfamiliar with the work and named after a character as well as the work it's from.

edited 18th Mar '11 1:06:30 PM by MC42

So, bump?