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Deadlock Clock: Sep 16th 2012 at 11:59:00 PM
DaibhidC Wizzard from Discworld Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Abstaining
Wizzard
#1: Feb 11th 2011 at 4:21:27 PM

The description is of uncontrollably chaotic webcomic characters like Bun-Bun and Pintsize.

The examples, understandably, are of sidekicks that are snarky and non-human, most of whom don't fit the description.

I'm not sure if we should rewrite the description, cut most of the examples, or split off Sociopathic Nonhuman Sidekick with the original description...

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#2: Feb 16th 2011 at 4:35:05 PM

Holy non-indicativeness, Batman!

Why, why, why do people give general-sounding names to specific tropes?!? I would have misused it too. Support a rename 100%, and the creation of a real Snarky Nonhuman Sidekick trope as separate from... this.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
I see the Awesomeness.
#3: Feb 16th 2011 at 4:39:10 PM

Support on both transplant and new trope. Possibly Pschotic Nonhuman Sidekick.

Fight smart, not fair.
nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#4: Apr 12th 2011 at 5:02:06 PM

Bumping. We really need to do something about this, as the name implies a completely different meaning from the description.

I still favor a Trope Transplant.

jaytee jt from honolulu, hi Since: Mar, 2011
jt
#5: Apr 13th 2011 at 2:36:54 PM

agreed. trope name should be reused for something else, this trope should be renamed and examples sorted accordingly.

nrjxll Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Not war
#6: May 7th 2011 at 8:07:11 PM

Okay, if nobody else is going to contribute, then I think I'm just going to go ahead and do a Trope Transplant. The title here is far broader then the trope.

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#7: May 19th 2011 at 8:45:54 PM

I say go ahead, m'self.

crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
#8: Oct 15th 2011 at 4:59:27 AM

What happened to the Trope Transplant?

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
Loser
#9: Jan 9th 2012 at 12:19:41 PM

While there was some support for a trope transplant, I feel like it is a good idea to make a page action crowner and try to generate some more discussion before taking action. There is a crowner for that purpose here. Feel free to add options as you see fit.

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edited 9th Jan '12 12:20:07 PM by LouieW

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#11: Feb 8th 2012 at 12:46:59 PM

Calling the crowner with a final tally of

  • 12 (yeas:13 nays:1) 13.00 : 1 in favor of "Trope transplant, rename the current Snarky Nonhuman Sidekick to something that indicates it is about sociopathic non-human sidekicks and use the Snarky Nonhuman Sidekick name for sidekicks that are snarky and non-human."

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feotakahari Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer from Looking out at the city Since: Sep, 2009
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
#12: Feb 8th 2012 at 2:04:45 PM

So, rename to what? Psycho Nonhuman Sidekick seems a bit of a mouthful, but I can't think of anything wittier.

(Also, is this a supertrope to Robotic Psychopath? As originally written, almost all examples of that trope were psychopathic robot sidekicks, although it's since suffered example drift to all psychopathic robots.)

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LouieW Loser from Babycowland Since: Aug, 2009
Loser
#13: Feb 26th 2012 at 8:40:24 PM

Given the support for a rename, there is now an alternative titles crowner for this trope here. Feel free to add names as you see fit.

feotakahari,
I agree that the two are related tropes, but I am not sure that being sidekick is or should be a requirement for a character to be a Robotic Psychopath. I would like to hear what other people think about that though.

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Madrugada Zzzzzzzzzz Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: In season
Zzzzzzzzzz
#14: Mar 3rd 2012 at 9:47:11 PM

Crowner swapped and thread title changed

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#15: Mar 31st 2012 at 6:42:21 AM

Bumping this for votes.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
abk0100 Since: Aug, 2011
#16: Apr 3rd 2012 at 12:37:32 AM

Would "sadistic" work in the name, or does that not quite describe the trope?

ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#17: Apr 12th 2012 at 6:45:45 AM

I'd like to see a few more votes on this.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#18: Apr 24th 2012 at 8:10:17 AM

Re-bump for votes here.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#19: May 10th 2012 at 6:34:05 AM

Calling crowner in favor of naming the transplanted trope Psycho Nonhuman Sidekick.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#20: Jun 3rd 2012 at 8:29:53 AM

It looks like we forgot to close this...let's do the transplant, please.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#21: Jul 16th 2012 at 1:47:34 PM

Would someone like to write up the description for the new Snarky Nonhuman Sidekick, so we can do this transplant?

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
Ravenous Sophovore
#22: Sep 13th 2012 at 6:33:36 AM

Clocking this. It needs to be done or we need to shelve this.

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
lu127 Paper Master from 異界 Since: Sep, 2011 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#23: Oct 22nd 2012 at 9:07:42 AM

Looks like nothing ever got done here. Locking.

"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
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