Christian tropers, join together!

As someone who has dealt with abusers in the past (don't wish to go further into it at this time), you're not obligated to feel anything about them. I firmly believe that if someone mistreats you, you do not have to respect them just because of a familial tie.

But if you're having problems with guilt or not knowing how to feel, that's totally normal and you can work through that on your own time. Just don't think you're a bad person for having conflicting feelings. Talk to a pastor or a social worker if you need to

Thanks, I have talked with my brother about this and he understands it.

I feel a bit better now.

I can answer why older people want Jesus to come back. Basically, they hate how everything's going currently and think that it's time for the end of the world to come.

They believe that Jesus would validate their worldview.

I'm reluctant to make generalizations on this point, because what people feel about Christian eschatology is diverse, but I do think some believe the world is screwed up and want good to be finally rewarded and evil to be punished in a just and fair manner - as do we all. Some do want their views to be justified and vindicated before the world's eyes - as do we all. Some likely want to no longer be alienated from God and the world and to live with him in peace - as do we all, in one way or another. But the possible reasons that any Christian may have for desiring the second coming are as many as they are.

Personally, I'd like to put it off as long as possible.

Re: Christianity and science:

I'd like to hear people's thoughts on this Religion News Service article. Also remember posting another article from the same site about Alan Jacobs and how important he says it's to not throw thinking by the wayside.

On a slightly different note, thoughts on the Biologos Foundation and RELEVANT Magazine?

I have mixed feelings about that first one. I mean it's great that people are accepting science. But it's weird that people are rejecting pure sciences while they're okay with applied ones. I mean they know where doctors get their info from right? (Biologists!)

And I personally don't think miracles should be factored into medical practice. I mean even if you do believe in them, miracles are my definition mysterious and unpredictable. It would be great if there was a miracle and a patient got cured, but we can't factor something unpredictable into medical science. The goal of medical science is to come up with something that works 100% of the time for every patient. If miracle may or may not happen, we need to assume that it won't and come up with a treatment plan that wouldn't need a miracle to work. And I don't mean to attack religion at all, but that's what you need to do to save lives. You can't put your faith into unpredictable treatments.

But I agree with the fact that science and religion can coexist. I have a cousin whose a practicing Catholic biologist. She believes in evolution, and when questioned about it she responded, "Why couldn't God have created evolution?" Christianity was created a long, long time ago before we knew what we know now, and you have to accept that some things written in the Bible (a book written by human beings who were restricted by the time that they lived in, and explained things the best way that they could back then) could be outdated and adapt them to our current understanding

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Don't we owe a lot of early-ish science to monks anyway? Gregor Mendel, etc.

The Debt Eraser.

Science dates earlier than that. It began since the dawn of civilization.

I know. Hence saying early-ish. I knew I wasn't be precise.

Stones of Remembrance.

Growing A Servant's Heart.

What's Inside?

Does anyone else feel an unbearable amount of pressure from their parents to get more into God?

Fitting In.

An Angry God?

Knowing and Loving.

Pursuing Unity.

I'm all for restricting government funding to bigoted groups.

I would say that making certain groups labeled as bigoted just for being against abortion is dogmatic, especially when some of them are secular groups as well who are not for being pro-choice.

I'm actually glad that Canada does this.

People who were against Harper were mad when he didn't allow groups to get funding, if they were believed in climate change. But now Trudeau is doing this but for anti-abortion people, people are praising him for it.

I do think that Trudeau is ironically being the close minded one on this. I mean trying to classify anti-abortion as bigotry is extreme.

A lot of people consider it to be oppressing women's rights. So yeah, it's considered bigotry by a lot of people.