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Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#19151: Feb 3rd 2014 at 2:45:47 AM

Which is ultimately the same thing. They're disobeying orders, meaning they're committing Stupid Evil level atrocities that further tarnish Al Qaeda's image to impersonable believers.

edited 3rd Feb '14 2:46:29 AM by Sledgesaul

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#19152: Feb 3rd 2014 at 2:58:58 AM

Al-Zawahri last May ordered the Islamic State to operate independently from a rival al-Qaida branch in Syria, the Nusra Front, led by Abu Mohammed al-Golani. Al-Baghdadi rejected al-Zawahri's orders and unsuccessfully sought to merge the two branches.
You know that Al-Qaida got issues when its own branches suffer from infighting among themselves.

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#19153: Feb 3rd 2014 at 3:07:33 AM

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Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#19154: Feb 3rd 2014 at 3:13:38 AM

[up][up] I find that to be a good thing, though. Shows how much turmoil that's raging around there.

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edited 3rd Feb '14 3:14:11 AM by Sledgesaul

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#19155: Feb 3rd 2014 at 11:27:57 AM

It also means they'll be more dependant on the al-Nusra Front for their operations in Syria and Lebanon, so this may not be a completely good thing. Though its fun to see al-Baghdadi have a flame lit under his ass...

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#19156: Feb 3rd 2014 at 12:29:48 PM

Not to mention Al Qaeda is more like a popular/memetic brand name than an actual organization. Though AQ leaders may or may not be trying to change that perception.

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#19157: Feb 3rd 2014 at 12:36:31 PM

Lotta movement in Yemen. Houthi rebels have seized more villages north of the capital. In the capital itself there were several major explosions. This just one week after the national conference agreed to a federalized Yemen (without, of course, stating how many federal units there would be and where)

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#19158: Feb 3rd 2014 at 10:38:42 PM

@Sledgesaul: Not necessarily. It appears to be a simple power struggle in the ranks, not a reaction to Stupid Evil actions on ISIS' part.

As far as I can see, the only thing AQ is objecting to ISIS over is how ISIS is trying to expand its own power and take over other AQ groups in the region, when AQ HQ told them to let each group operate independently. That's simply not the same thing as you're implying.

Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#19159: Feb 4th 2014 at 4:08:25 PM

The Houthis are Shi'ites that are allegedly receiving Iranian assistance. How much of Yemen do they control now?

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#19160: Feb 5th 2014 at 1:17:39 AM

Houthis are Zaidi Shiites who support the old Imamate that used to exist before Nasserists overthrew the Imam-King in a brutal civil war ("Egypt's Vietnam") back in the 60s. With the remnants of that Nasserist government barely holding anything together, they basically want to retake former North Yemen (They've made an alliance with the Hirak to support their secession of South Yemen).

As such, they only control maybe a tenth of Yemen as a whole, but they control about a fourth of former North Yemen....and they're closing in on Sana'a.

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Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#19161: Feb 5th 2014 at 11:00:56 PM

Hmm, they can destabilize Yemen given a few more funds. The Sepah/Pasdaran/Revolutionary Guards are certainly the type up pull a CIA move by funding the Houthis against a rival government.

By the way, the NYT published an article that details how children were abused by Assad and the Islamists. Warning: do not read if you anger easy. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/world/middleeast/at-least-10000-children-killed-in-syria-un-estimates.html?_r=0&referrer=

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#19162: Feb 5th 2014 at 11:13:44 PM

Supposedly Iran already is, but I don't buy it. Even with all these gains, they're still relatively isolated. As far as I know, they've not taken any coastline and they certainly have no control of the air, so I dunno how Iran even gets in contact with them, let alone helps them.

And yeah, been hearing about the children for the last couple of weeks. This civil war is already up there among some of the most brutal conflicts in all history.

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Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#19163: Feb 6th 2014 at 11:44:19 AM

That's 'cause Iran isn't helping the Houthis. The head of Yemen is just a paranoid shrill who blames others for his failures.

Syria is falling apart. I really can't see peace anytime soon. Assad won't go, no matter what. If you want real regime change, real democracy, fund some opposition parties against Assad in the election later this year.

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#19164: Feb 6th 2014 at 11:56:31 AM

That's 'cause Iran isn't helping the Houthis.
How are you so sure?

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#19165: Feb 6th 2014 at 12:27:48 PM

Certainly Iran is sympathetic. I just dunno how they give material support.

As for the head of Yemen, it depends on whether you mean Saleh (who really was/is a paranoid shill trying to get more money to keep himself in power) and Hadi, whose trying to keep the government running and is negotiating to keep the peace between Salafists and Houthis.

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#19166: Feb 6th 2014 at 1:12:45 PM

Certainly Iran is sympathetic. I just dunno how they give material support.
Through black-market smuggling, how else? It's not like Yemen's borders don't have a lot of holes in them, security wise.

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#19167: Feb 6th 2014 at 4:04:51 PM

I would assume in any country in this kind of condition, it's more like the holes have some borders in them.

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#19168: Feb 6th 2014 at 6:59:29 PM

Except the country at the other side of said border is Saudi Arabia, which has walled off the border from the north. And between Houthi territory and the Omani border (where Iranian products probably could get through due to Muscat's True Neutral status) is the Hadramaut and Salafist/AQ militias. Sure, it's possible to get through there, but not often and not on any meaningful schedule.

I personally buy the idea that the Houthis have convinced some of the other, smaller tribes to back them, especially since the heads of the larger tribal confederations are either bought by the hated Saleh or, because of Saleh's old patronage system, spend more time in the capital than with the tribes they supposedly lead. It's possible Hirak is throwing some support their way too.

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#19169: Feb 6th 2014 at 7:45:00 PM

Don't restrict yourself to land borders. Aden is one of the most important ports in the region, and has been for well over a thousand years at least.

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#19170: Feb 6th 2014 at 8:10:57 PM

Who's Hirak?

And Saudi Arabia decided on land borders with Yemen? I forgot whether it was with Yemen or UAE that there was some sort of border unclarity, causing it to be not delineated with a line on my old globe...

edited 6th Feb '14 8:11:50 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

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#19172: Feb 6th 2014 at 8:42:04 PM

[up][up] Pretty much everything in the Rub al-Khali area is set up like that. No-one really cared to define the borders.

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#19173: Feb 6th 2014 at 9:02:48 PM

[up][up][up] Hirak is the southern seperatist group. They basically want to restore former South Yemen's independence. Together with the Houthis, they have the current regime sandwiched.

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Sledgesaul Since: Oct, 2011
#19174: Feb 6th 2014 at 9:11:57 PM

Sissi need not run for office. He's already the kingmaker there.

Also, Putin being an asshole again. No surprise there. What's the story behind the alliance between Syria and Russia?

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#19175: Feb 6th 2014 at 9:14:47 PM

[up] Their relations started in 1971, but became stronger in the wake of the 2008 South Ossetia War. The relations between Russia and the ruling Bashar family also go back to the 70's.

edited 6th Feb '14 9:16:05 PM by Quag15


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