Domodedovo bombing.

ASAIK, the history texts, at least according to my Cousin who frequents Russia, are painting an entirely different story. It isn't above Russian politics to both condemn and praise the same figure.

It isn't US versus Russia, that isn't the point, the point is that as far as both Russia and US militarism is concerned, we are still enemies.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

Ahem, there are lots of historical figures who deserve to be both condemned and praised. What is so strange about it? The textbooks I've studied on did not paint Stalin in a good light at all (not that it is a bad thing - I am certainly not his fan), but, granted, it was several years ago.

And most of the time I do not have any axe to grind with internet population. Please accept my apologies, that was probably wrong for me to do. It just seemed strange that everyone immediately started to worry about Russia's retaliation instead of those scumbags, so I couldn't help but wonder if reaction would be different if it happened in some other country.

Bah, I probably should stop posting before someone mistakes me for nationalistic idiot (even though idiot part might be accurate).

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common

I don't think you'll get called a nationalistic idiot for not approving of a fucking suicide bombing. Nor do I think you're the one needing to make an apology here.

It was a suicide bomb? The first reports said it was a luggage bomb.

As for Chechnya, the last time they ever would have been supported, even then it was probably small change, was the 50s. In the 90s, we would not have supported them and at least in Afghanistan, they might become a problem.

As for revisionism, my cousin said that last year so if it is happening, it was a new enviroment. I don't get why Poland would be blamed though, it is very much the meat of the military sandwich that is Eastern Europe.

edited 25th Jan '11 11:13:54 AM by saladofstones

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

Yes, it was suicide, just in the luggage area. Not sure how it changes anything, though. If anything, it makes the situation a tiny bit better.

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common

Annnnd here we go.

http://kotaku.com/5742990/russian-tv-links-modern-warfare-2-to-russian-massacre

(sigh) Now that is idiotic. Surely terrorists spend their time playing video games in order to get ideas!

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An airport, as far as a terrorist concern, is a good way to get a lot of people, not only from Russia, but other countries as well AND to cripple its air industry.

I don't know what to say or how to say it without offending. I hope for everything to work out as good as possible for the victims and that those who did this are brought to justice.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

No, as the other guy pointed out they're referred as rebels due to Chechnya trying to separate from Russia. One thing that might be pointed out is how many in the US tend to sympathize with "the underdog" due to the US history of being founded upon secessionism and the fact that large portions of the US want to secede themselves, and have in the past (California, Texas, the South, etc).

Depending on the insurgents fighting against the Amerixan government it would be acknowledged as 'good' by a large portion of the population.....especially given the citizens of the US acknowledge a lot of the stuff in Iraq as example is simply people responding to being occupied by a foreign power.

If (well when) regions of the US tr to secede again the media can't demonize as easily, so it's not that. And again the other guy points out that rebels in Iraq are referred to as "insurgents" by the US media IN the US......or "Terrorist" (some right-wing factions wanted to refer to all anti-coalition forces in the US as "Radical Islamic Terorrists" (Lou Dobbs has done that).

In the USA there are still people debating on what terrorism is (it is an open-ended question tangled up in politics), and that is why many in the US (esp the left-leaning groups) are not keen on calling the rebels 'terrorrists' and want to afford them POW status etc etc).

EDIT: also, on a personal note I considered the Weathermen, the Black Panthers and their shootoffs like the Black Liberation Army to be justified in what they did, and not "terrorists" (again from the loaded term, from a neutral term they were terrorists and yes that makes me a supporter of terrorism then)

Not to be biased, but in modern history (as post-soviet breakup) Russia has a well...bad reputation to dealing with stuff like that, as in it's a stereotype.

The US does more things but they at least try to cover it up and minimize the dmage done by its' colonialism.....see how the US treated the Phillipines after killing a shitload of people there. IT was still evil imperialism, but the US rebuilt the country - partially out of the collective guilt the people of that era had over that.

And yes I know Russia and the former USSR has done the same thing (e.g. incorporating Belarus and Ukraine into the soviet economy, building factories to improve their standard-of-living etc).

Heck, hmm.....why is there a diffeernce. Part of might be due to the Memetic Mutation of Putin being a former KGB officer and badass to the point of 'Bond Villain' level..

edited 25th Jan '11 3:48:09 PM by BalloonFleet

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Weatherman were justified? What?

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

Russia...what are you planning? Another raid on a small country? No doubt to claim more influence. I love these regional politics...so exciting.

That'd only happen if the Georgians were funding them or something, and they aren't about to poke the bear AGAIN, especially considering what happened with the Pakistanis tried that with India.

It might not be Chechnya anyway. It might be its next door neighbor, Dagestan.I still doubt Russia would invade a former SSR for it though. None of them have the proper motive.

Oh please

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I'm not sure if I'm wrong, beholden, but wasn't Georgia a bloody campaign for Russia as well? I've listened to some of the President's speeches and some broadcasts and despite some misinformation, intentional or otherwise, the Russian military took some decent losses, especially with their jets.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

As far as I know, yes, there were serious losses. Still, this one fails to see how the whole situation with Ossetia can be held against Russia. If anything, it is one of the few decent actions Russia has done. But oh well.

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common

At least from what I've seen, it was pretty clear Russia goaded Georgia into attacking.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

Saakashvili sure as hell botched that thing up.

"Atheism is the religion whose followers are easiest to troll"

The reason I'm joking about this and people might see me as taking this lightly is because I know Russia has the balls to follow through and get the people who did this.

When stuff like this happens in America, we just flounder around and try to blame political parties, we're not very thorough or expedient when it comes to justice. Putin is going to get whoever is responsible and have them killed, I admire the Russian governments attitude in this particular respect.

I mean really, Major Nidal Hasan has to have a medical evaluation board to determine if he's even fit to stand trial? If a Russian Army Major equivalent pulled a spree killing on Russian troops, he'd have been hung a few months after it happened at most, probably much quicker than that. I love expediency.

Jared Loughner? If a citizen murdered a Russian politician, he'd already be sentenced or dead by now.

edited 26th Jan '11 9:53:32 AM by Barkey

@Barkey: While I admire their willing to go and out get revenge, I think their methods breeds the animosity that leads to these attacks in the first place.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

I agree, it is a consequence of their style of dealing with problems, if you don't cut the head off the snake and deal with the problem entirely, it just digs its roots deeper and becomes a bigger problem.

Least they do stuff though, we just sit around with our thumbs up our asses. I love Russia in that respect.

PS, Putin is the God Emperor.

Thats true but the problem is if you don't completely break your enemy with those tactics, you harden them against you and they will hate you a lot more for it.

The advantage of us, at least in part, is that Russia might want to break you, we just don't seem to really give a shit about the region as long as our interests are left alone. A smart terrorist wouldn't attack us because otherwise we wouldn't bother to go all the way over there to kill them.

That said, I would like our military to be more willing to do what it takes to occupy an area even if it means busting some heads and breaking some people's teeth because love and peace aren't viable methods in most of the world. :V

I'm not sure if we are trying that or something but parts of Restrepo made it seem that we don't have the best program for dealing with locals.

Well he's talking about WWII when the Chinese bomb pearl harbor and they commuted suicide by running their planes into the ship.

Actually, that's what we are doing too most of the time. Oh, and if Army Major committed something horrible, bringing him to justice would not be easy, especially if he has connections. Sad but true.

If we disagree, that much, at least, we have in common

I hear he's still collecting a paycheck.

Given the fucked up status the current Russian Army is, with desertions being very common, and how politically EVERYONE knows the current Russian Army has a LOT to improve in, I'll flat out say LOL NO.

Also Russia doesnt have a death penalty anymore....

Wonder why those opposition politicians manage to get sniped at and that doesn't happen....

The United States HAS been doing that in Iraq.

edited 26th Jan '11 12:13:04 PM by BalloonFleet

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^

We're half-assing it to be honest.