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ZheToralf Floating Advice Reminder from somewhere in Germany Since: Dec, 2009
#1: Jan 8th 2011 at 3:34:04 AM

http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20027893-281.html

This is getting shady. If they get through with this, they will have a precedent for future use. While a lot of the cables from wikileaks where just gossip, there was also a fair share of important information that i think everyone has the right to know. Therefore I'm on their side (although im not actively doing anything). Maybe I'm getting a wrong picture here, cause i am from Germany, but the news we get here make it look that the USA are slowly silencing everyone who's criticizing the government.

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#2: Jan 8th 2011 at 3:59:26 AM

1. Its to obtain information 2. They are not being silenced in any way they do not say twittter you have to drop these people. They are asking for info big difference. In the mean time they are free to continue to criticize the government as they please.

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#3: Jan 8th 2011 at 5:06:30 AM

They're not telling people to stop giving out the information. The information is still there, exactly as findable as it was before.

They're just asking for extra information.

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ZheToralf Floating Advice Reminder from somewhere in Germany Since: Dec, 2009
#4: Jan 8th 2011 at 5:07:00 AM

The thing is that the German article i read says that the order was not meant to become public, so no one would have known. Also, German media might display the US a little different. For those of you who can speak German, heres the article for reference:

http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/netzpolitik/0%2C1518%2C738447%2C00.html

So i don't know the correct term for this, but it seems that twitter got the right to tell the users about that recently. The thing is, unrelated to what they may or may not have done, the government demands private information about these people. From what i read in the article, most of them have not done anything I would deem to justify this.

EDIT: fixed the Link

edited 8th Jan '11 11:13:20 AM by ZheToralf

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#5: Jan 8th 2011 at 7:10:39 AM

Der Spiegel is not exactly known for having friendly feelings towards America. And the German link is giving a 404 error.

edited 8th Jan '11 7:12:56 AM by Exploder

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#6: Jan 8th 2011 at 8:50:23 AM

Court orders are generally public information, unless the entity asking for it can provide a very good reason why it shouldn't be.

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#7: Jan 8th 2011 at 10:09:24 AM


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#9: Jan 8th 2011 at 10:26:02 AM

To fix the 404, delete the spaces near the end of the link.

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saladofstones3 Since: Dec, 1969
#10: Jan 9th 2011 at 10:43:05 AM

Everything in court is public information UNLESS it is a grand jury.

Also don't read the comments for that article.

edited 9th Jan '11 10:49:08 AM by saladofstones3

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#11: Jan 9th 2011 at 11:40:52 AM

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breadloaf Since: Oct, 2010
#12: Jan 10th 2011 at 12:50:09 PM

Well they tried to make the court order secret but Twitter appeared to have fought a court battle over that and made the court order public (in order to follow company policy of telling anybody when they have to disclose information).

Now, this isn't silencing anyone from speaking out against America but it puts some fear into them. I mean once they figure out who is criticising it or releasing its confidential information, what is the logical next step? I personally don't argue for slippery slope fallacies but if there is no social gain from stepping toward a more authoritarian society then you shouldn't do it.

saladofstones3 Since: Dec, 1969
#13: Jan 10th 2011 at 1:34:10 PM

Yeah a lot of court orders aren't made public until after the trial. Its nothing new.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
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#14: Jan 10th 2011 at 1:47:22 PM

^^ Slippery slope is only a fallacy if you assume it's the only possible conclusion. Safeguarding against that conclusion in advance is not only not fallacious, it's wise.

I think if they don't have enough dirt to extradite someone for an actual crime, and don't have reasonable suspicion they'd get to such a point very, very quickly, they have no business coercing other countries or businesses into divulging these things.

edited 10th Jan '11 1:47:52 PM by Pykrete

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