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I'm guessing the comparison influenced rebellion a bit. 
Heh, I do like making comparisons between two of my favorite stories huh?
Seriously though, there are indeed similarities between the two franchises, especially in Rebellion. I just hope that this one won't crash and burn like the Matrix, becoming remembered solely as a relic from the The New '10s.
edited 21st Jan '15 10:16:19 PM by LDragon2
I am now a shiny stone~
I still hold the idea that the Witches are basically the Shadows of the Magical Girls, all that's left of them after they suffer a mental breakdown from despair.
The three finest things in life are to splat your enemies, drive them from their turf, and hear their lamentations as their rank falls!
I don't get that. While it makes more sense than them being mindless monsters I still don't see it. Shadows are aspects of your personality you don't identify with and make a part of your self made to appear as a being in of its self. Witches pretty much all the traits they had as humans except ones they lost crossing the despair event horizon.
...Oh my god what.
My point is that since the incubators had no role in designing witches and their workings, that those workings have to already exist in humans.
...That's kind of a lot of conjecture on your part.
For starters. Like, how do we know that the Incubators had no role in it? And, even if they didn't, why does it mean that it has to be something built into humans, as opposed to something built into the laws of the universe's magic?
I mean, we already have magic that is explicitly said to come from human emotions, and also explicitly breaks the first law of thermodynamics.
Which.
“Energy isn’t conserved” is a synonym for “the laws of physics change over time.”
That's a mathematical fact.
So. No. No, the laws of physics in Madoka don't even resemble ours. Except superficially.
I suppose the humans can't tell the difference, but. The Incubators can.
And. Kyubey refers to himself as a Guardian of Magic. So that's probably actually true.
...When did Kyouko ride a horse?
When was Sayaka a mermaid? Or Homura a nutcracker? When do the witches show traits not related to their despair? What indication is there that they aren't just made of despair?
edited 22nd Jan '15 10:39:08 AM by unnoun
In Madoka's world Kyubey had no idea witches could happen until Homura told him. He pull his experiment and Homura a witch with no special differences from any other witch other than not being able to escape the world inside her soul gem because of the incubators. Magic doesn't come from human emotions, it comes from emotion regardless of species. The psp game even has an alien witch. It is also from what I know the only witch that doesn't show human traits that aren't necessary to be able to use magic.
Given that real world technology works, it shows the law of physics as humanity knows them are good enough to make the right predictions. The laws have no exceptions. When a law doesn't seem to apply it is replace by a deeper law that explains why the original work or didn't. Newton's gravity was wrong but The new theories don't say apples fall up. The general patterns is that the laws are simple. In the Madoka verse there is likely a deeper law just as there always had that explains the surface observation that no energy is created or destroy.
With that in mind, we have to wonder why the witches labyrinths and their behavior is optimize well enough to reliable hunt down and kill people even with magical girls killing them. The two things we know that can do this are intelligence and natural selection. I already explain how natural selection doesn't work here. It can't be the incubators intelligence for the reasons I have stated above. That leaves the human girl's own intelligence.
When life gives you lemons, burn life's house down with the lemons.
...I got the impression that, in Madoka's world, Kyubey and the Incubators thought that Witches should be happening, and didn't understand why it wasn't working.
They were confused as to why magical girls were disappearing when they fell to despair or when they ran out of power, but not when they die. Kyubey didn't know about witches.
When life gives you lemons, burn life's house down with the lemons.
Some pretty silly stuff in this discussion in recent pages that contradicts the shows information. The Soul Gem turns into a Grief Seed so the Grief Seed is the product of a Magical Girl's Soul. Any implications otherwise contradicts Canon. Familiars turn into Witches after eating a bunch of people, otherwise Kyoko would have been lying.
Kyouko could be wrong.
Except she wasn't.
We never actually see a familiar become a witch. And where do they get a soul from? And the remains of a soul gem?
When life gives you lemons, burn life's house down with the lemons.
I'm pretty sure we do in the PSP game that shows us Candeloro, Ophelia, and Homulily for the first time.
I do know that Mami fights Gisela in her bad end, despite it being killed by Kyouko at some point in the past.
Song of the Sirens
I'm not sure looking for "evidence" even makes sense for a thing to do with crafted narrative. TV, movies, books, games, comics.
Because stories don't really operate by any rules other than those imposed by the creator. Or creators, plural. There's always a god. At least one.
Now, the way stories usually work is themes, and characterization, and references and things.
Regardless of author intention, he wrote a story and that story is what counts.
As for the above post. Did the one Mami kill drop a grief seed? Did the one Kyouko kill drop one?
When life gives you lemons, burn life's house down with the lemons.
Yes on both counts.
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And in any case, I don't see what reason we have to think that Kyouko would get the wrong information in the first place.
Rebellion's dub will be available April 7 [1]
For $30 for the DVD or $40 for the Blu-Ray.
edited 28th Jan '15 8:09:09 AM by supermerlin100
Not a bad price.
edited 28th Jan '15 8:48:01 AM by arahman56
Well it would be to Kyubey's advantage to be able to tell the girls that witches came from familiars as opposed to telling them that they are actually humans.
edited 28th Jan '15 9:47:37 AM by universalperson
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So to divert the discussion a bit:
how were your expectations going into Madoka compared to your experience watching the show?
I think I was only vaguely aware of Madoka's reputation and didn't really know a lot of things about the series going into it. I was taking a break from watching Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood and was expecting to only watch a few episodes before going back. Needless to say I ended up marathoning Madoka and enjoying it greatly. Probably one of my more cherished anime-watching experiences.
I was there when it was first airing, though I only started watching around episode 6 or seven.
So I expected suffering with a happy end and that's basically what I got.
