Martial Arts Thread

Where does swipe your opponent's leg, making him fall on the ground, and stomp the living shit out of him counts? Is there any martial arts who use that as technique, because that tends to be my foruth favorite method (the third being throwing dirts at eyes and punching him in the face, second a Groin Attack, the first being just avoiding a fight in the first place).

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I'm pretty sure LINE, MCMAP, and Krav Maga all have that.

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Lollipod, do you mean MACP, or Modern Army Combatives Program? If so yes, that is a "move." All the Marine/SF lines training "katas" usually end in a takedown followed by an axe kick to the eye socket, which when wearing a standard-issue combat boot is supposed to be able to penetrate through the skull crushing the brain and even causing an exit wound out the back if the kick is executed properly. It's not something you do in a casual brawl.

I asked who's been in a fight because it seems like the average American male has never been in one. For all the bullshit posturing and shit-talking you'll see in a bar or wherever, usually nobody throws a punch. I wasn't raised like that. I've been in quite a few, more than I can count in fact. For my fellow military types, you're probably surprised that an officer gets into fights, but I'm not the only one. There's a segment of Infantry officers who believe in the old definition of an "officer and a gentlemen" who defends his honor with his fists in lieu of a sword duel, who doesn't talk shit unless he can back it up. I've had to teach a few fellow officers that way of thinking the hard way. Then of course there's just the random bar brawls with 3rd Ranger Battalion enlisted men in Columbus GA, or impromptu street fights in four inches of snow in the bad parts of Binghamton NY, etc. Since I've been stationed in Germany, I've unfortunately been in only a few. Germans aren't fond of bar fights, and the senior leadership in my unit very much frowns upon that kind of behavior. Strangely enough, the majority of my unit's junior officer corps seems to be composed of pussies.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.

Blame it on society dude, we're getting a lot softer as time goes on; then again lawsuits tend to have that effect.

I'm not old enough to rememebr the meet me by the flagpole at 3 days, but when I went to HS fights were one on one unless somebody jumped in. That was the point when everyone would see if you could back your claims up of if it was just talk.

Then maturity hits and you turn into the keep your mouth shut and knock skulls when you have to kind of guy. BTW, I rememebr watching some 3rd RB guys get into a fight when I was down at Savannah; only topped by watching some chick beat up her BF's attacker.

I'm talking about Marine Corps Martial Arts Program.

Underneath the bridge The tarp has sprung a leak And the animals I've trapped have all become my pets

Well I never been in a fight unless its in video games. Then agian, I don't think want to considering all the sadistic thigns you can do to someone.

Is there any martial arts that specializes in Knife Fight?

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

Eskrima, if I'm not mistaken.

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt." - Some guy with a snazzy hat.

@G.G. - fighting is one of my absolute favorite things to do in the world. If I was in a bar and had a hot chick on one side offering a blow job in the back room and a dude on the other wanting to fight me, I'd fight the dude every time. B Js and other sexual activities are awesome, don't get me wrong, and all things being equal are more fun than a brawl. However, fights are much more rare and hard to get into and out of without a ride in a police car.

There's just something so visceral and primal about smashing another human being in the face repeatedly with your extremity of choice, and taking hits in return. I've won far more than I've lost but even the ones where I was bloody and bruised more than the other guy are fond memories.

Does this make me a psychopath? Maybe, but if so I'm comfortable with it.

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.

Totally understandable, really. It's all part of our millions of years old instinct not quite disappearing. As long as you intentionally cause fights, then you are good to go, although fight (sparring does not count) in general is something to avoid in my book. Guess you are a Blood Knight.

Although being a major wuss Combat Pragmatist and avoids fight in general (I don't like getting hurt), I do LOVE to watch other people fights. That's maybe why I love watching movies like Transformers so much; nothing more like immense beings beating the hell out of each other and causing a mass property damage. YEAH!!

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

How can you be a wuss (''unless your first thought is to run((even then, that's a good course of action.))) and be a pragmatist? That's like saying krav maga practitioners are wussy.

It's just that I get scared very easily and don't like gettin hurt.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

Hey, i'm in no hurry to hurt the money maker,l ol

Martello: Agreed.

Eskrima focuses mainly on using short staffs. More advanced practicioners use knives and fist however.

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So, SUNY New Paltz, the college I'm prolly gonna go to, has a Brazilian Ju-jitsu club.

This pleases me.

Anyone have any experience with it?

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You mean other than getting grey hair due to telling MMA guys the differences between judo, jujitsu, and BJJ?

Does anybody know anything about the Japanese underground boxing/fight club scene?

I want to know what the name of that scene is so I can use it for a cyberpunk novel I'm working on. And I'd love to get involved if I ever end up in Tokyo.

I've searched all over the Internet and can't find much of anything. I recall seeing a word for it recently, something like basho, but that's just a non-championship sumo match or something like that.

edited 14th Apr '11 11:28:27 AM by Martello

"Did anybody invent this stuff on purpose?" - Phillip Marlowe on tequila, Finger Man by Raymond Chandler.

Did Tae Kwon Do for the major part of 3 years, backed by a very small background in Judo.

Am now using this for pro wrestling activities, so... yeah.

Only got in a real fight once.

@dRoy

I can understand that but that didn't stop my borther in high school but then it was a very troubling time for him.

Also, is wrong to be a mild blood knight? I know that there are people who love to fight on this thread but are nevertheless responsible.

Nothing wrong. Just don't actually go around and cause fights and you are good.

I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.

How do you take a weapon away from someone's hand?

Also, I may answering my own question but how did our ancestors or founders of the fighting arts learn to come up with and utilize those moves? I think it is mostly trial and error but I also want to know who found the 'right' way to punch, kick, block, etc.?

If size deosn't really matter too much, does that mean its a disadvantage? I had some tv shows and movies where children can take down adults and I am not talking abot aikido practioners here.

How do you know when you had reached some level of mastery?

edited 17th Apr '11 3:52:03 PM by G.G.

@G.G.

ad 1: the examples I've seen all revolve about using a joint lock. The weapon itself is often the lever.

ad 2: well, it depends on how far back you want to go. The first person who came up with the idea of striking someone the "right" way most likely lived back when writing was a sci-fi concept. Otherwise, you may be looking at the founders of various schools.

ad 3: Between two equally-skilled individuals, the bigger and stronger is at advantage. Big one will always have it easier, by having the virtue of more raw strength. Consider this "child beating an adult" example: one kick would be enough to send the kid to the ground. Thus the skill is more of an equalising factor. However, some techniques may be easier to pull on someone with, like, longer arms (more place to grab and all that lot).

ad 4: I, personally, don't know, but my guess is when you can take on established masters.

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Martello: The Axe kick thing is very reminiscent of the Line I and Line II stuff before the corps switched to MCMAP. It was also aimed at the throat. Axe kicks, good old weight and momentum enhanced stomps as my instructors called it the monkey stomp. I am not sure about that exit wound stuff but I know it is intended to induce rather nasty head trauma usually smashing the face inward and damaging the brain severely.

The best training was new bayonet/rifle fighting stuff. Then the improvised weapons/weapons of opportunity was also great fun.

I used to really like getting into fights on the college campus. I would do my best to play local law to my advantage and get the other guy to swing first. 9 Times out of 10 A cop responding would let you go if you did not swing first. But the downside of being a college campus is that there were few folks who knew how to honestly fight. They liked to telegraph big ol hay makers or wind mill like idiots. The few good fights were with guys who knew some boxing or martial arts.

edited 17th Apr '11 6:30:56 PM by TuefelHundenIV

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G.G.; Disarming weapons: It depends on the weapon really. Weapons like staffs and sticks are easier to handle, and can often be grabbed and manipulated into a joint-lock. Other weapons, like knives are harder, as you really, really need to keep the weapon away from you. Control of the wrist is vital; and as such a wrist-lock or armbar is the way to go. Either they let go or you break their arm; either way is good.

Having said that, going unarmed against someone with a knife is a bad, bad idea, and to do it successfully you need to be much better than your opponent. Even then, you're likely to get minor cut or two.

Development of martial systems is largely trial and error. A few guys would get together and find better ways of fighting. One guy, who might punch a bit harder, might show the others how he punches, and they copy him, and get better. Another guy might then go home with that, and think about how he might make his punch even better, and try it out.

Size is always an advantage. So is strength, speed, reflex, skill and timing. I'm 70kg but I've armbared a few heavier guys in my time, and I can hit harder than most people. Still, someone who is 100kg, and around my skill level, is going to give me a tough time.

As to mastery, you are a master when some ego-centric dude tells you you are, and then your own ego begins to inflate. Seriously, don't worry about being a master, just worry about getting better every day, week, month, and year. There will always be someone better than you.

I can defend myself well enough, but I don't have any real training. I can do some scary shit, but an expert would beat me up before I even tried. ( That being said, some of my cousins are judo champions and they can't successfully throw me. I am a lot bigger and stronger though. ) Maybe I should practice martial arts. Does anyone know of any martial arts that incorporate knife fighting? I'd like to learn how beat up someone and cut them up at the same time. Preferably breaking some of their bones in the process.

Disclaimer: I am ( mostly ) a pacifist, I wouldn't attack anyone for no good reason.

edited 24th Apr '11 3:36:54 AM by satannstuff

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