SFdebris

Runner is out. There's also some discussion on why Ford was written out as a main character and eventually from the show altogether.

Micheal

Oh boy

I agree on this one, when it comes to the Wraith the only options are exterminate all of them or change them so they don't need to feed on humans anymore. The Wraith may not like it, but they probably won't like getting killed either.

The sad thing is

The Wraith would prefer to die fighting

Reboot examined something similar with the hero attempting to reform viruses and one of the virus he was testing replying, "Ah a fate worse than deletion [being killed]."

Indeed the question ultimately boils down to: Is there any fate worse than death? (or is death the worst?)

A question our children's children's children will probably still be debating in their time.

The thing is, how different is it from death to begin with? The person's got no memory of who they were. They are a different species... Likely even different personality. At this point, haven't you killed the person in all ways beside the biological sense? The difference is borderline academic.

Also Chuck draws parallels to the Geth in Mass Effect 2 in Legion's loyalty mission - but it's a flawed comparison, because there part of the moral dilemma is the rebel geth are about to reprogram all the other geths. So the choice to reprogram or delete them isn't just a "is it worse than death" but a "are you willing to do the exact same gesture they were ready to inflict on others. Here, while humanity can only be free of the Wraith via totally removing them as a species, the wraith have no desire to destroy all of humanity - they literally need us to live. The symmetry of the Mass Effect scenario isn't there.

Also as I posted on the SF Debris Forum:

edited 15th Jan '16 6:02:27 PM by Ghilz

Cheek, Cheek, Cheek, Cheek, Cheek, Cheek

Only in a purely materialistic sense. If there is anything more to a sapient being (like the questions of free will & souls), then it becomes a very big deal. It's the same difference as the borg killing you vs assimilating you - after all the latter is killing the person in all ways beside the biological sense, no?

But... I mean you run into the whole observer paradox issue. If you tell Mike, right off the bat what happened, what incentive will he have to integrate? Would he not start rebelling and trying to reject treatments right away just out of a sense of defiance humans frequently demonstrate? It's like you're saying they should have taken the action guaranteed to fail rather than the riskier, but slightly more likely to succeed action. I mean at least with deception there is the theory that you show him all the benefits to being human before breaking the news to him so then, when he has the facts at his disposal, he'll make the choice to be human freely. That the team failed in this effort is just the usual human frailty in overcoming one's own faults.

Actually it's kind of a shame there wasn't a military chaplain (a la Father Mulcahy) on board who had been assigned to Michael detail as the religious parallels to the situation are obvious and would have provided a rich story vein.

Children are hell

Children of Dune part 2

Do you have captain ultra thong on the brains?

I totally forgot James Mc Avoy was in this. It's fun to see how far he's come.

But doesn't seem like he's now been typecast as "guy with vast mental powers"?

Soo... Dark Frontier did end on a Night court reference

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February Schedule:

• 1 Feb: Escaflowne
• 3 Feb: Children of Dune 3
• 6 Feb: TNG: Dark Page
• 8 Feb: Clone Wars: The Mandalore Plot
• 10 Feb: Farscape: Revenging Angel
• 13 Feb: TOS: The Trouble with Tribbles
• 15 Feb: Clone Wars: Voyage of Temptation
• 17 Feb: SG1: Tokra 1
• 20 Feb: TAS: More Tribbles, More Troubles
• 22 Feb: The Duchess of Mandalore
• 24 Feb: SG1 Tokra 2
• 27 Feb: DS9: Apocalypse Rising
• 1 Mar: Full Moon
• 3 Mar: Atlantis: Common Ground

Oh dear, Revenging Angel. And Tribbles too. This will be a weird month.

edited 30th Jan '16 5:44:26 AM by lrrose

OHHHHH He's giving me a birthday present.... The Trouble With Tribbles is on my B-day.

DS 9: Apocalypse Rising trivia:

On a Star Trek newsgroup (uesnet..yes I am old *sigh*), there was talk of the actors in the Klingon makeup. Avery Brooks (or Colm Meaney) was supposed respond in a Bluff the Imposter exchange. So Martok (IC) says "Do you know the way..." and our regular bursts into "Do You Know The Way To San Jose"...in full Klingon makeup and the entire cast starts either corpsing or chiming in! Needless to say the take was ruined....

edited 30th Jan '16 10:27:36 AM by TairaMai

Mar 3 is gonna be good

yay my 2 Tok'ra requests

Catching up:

• Escaflowne 8
• Children of Dune 3
• Dark Page

Regarding Children of Dune, did they change the ending? Because judging by the review, Leto doesn't become God-Emperor.

It's hinted that he would, but Sy Fy being Sy Fy...there was no 3rd series.

FATHER! THE WONDER WORM HAS AWAKENED!◊

The Mandalore Plot

I wonder what he meant in that spoiler.

I disagree if it means what I think it did.

Kylo Ren was less a dark lord, and more of an entitled rich kid who got handed a high position in a big fancy army since he's a special snowflake, when in reality he's less than skilled for the task (Or Snoke wanted to give him field experience). Not to mention that he had a wound in his gut when he fought Finn and Rey and he pretty quickly crushed Finn not too long into the fight.

Pretty much this.