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petersohn from Earth, Solar System (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Hiding
#13826: Aug 25th 2016 at 4:24:21 AM

[up]You can't do that, but if you go anywhere near light speed, bad things will happen.

edited 25th Aug '16 4:24:40 AM by petersohn

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#13827: Aug 25th 2016 at 4:55:17 AM

Yes, once you get reasonably near to the speed of light, the pickaxe, the rocks, and the air stop being distinct entities and instead become "physics objects" — a somewhat wry term for a collection of super-high-energy atoms that share spatial proximity through coincidence. At that point, you're talking about nuclear fusion, not fission.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
bookworm6390 Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#13828: Aug 25th 2016 at 6:46:21 AM

Why don't we ever see relativistic baseball scenarios in superhero fiction?

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#13829: Aug 25th 2016 at 6:56:10 AM

Probably because the idea of Superman vaporizing everything in a thousand-kilometer radius when he attempts to fly at the speed of light is a little morally grey. See also: Required Secondary Powers, particularly those related to Super-Speed.

edited 25th Aug '16 6:57:40 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
bookworm6390 Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Abstaining
#13830: Aug 25th 2016 at 7:22:08 AM

It would make for a great nightmare. Clark could dream that somehow his actions start causing nuclear explosions because of real physics taking over comic book physics.

ashnazg Since: Dec, 2009
#13831: Aug 25th 2016 at 8:19:06 AM

Something I've been wondering about for a while now is what a speedster would be capable of without the Required Secondary Powers. (It's difficult to define precisely where to draw the cut between the primary and secondary powers, but maybe let's say he can will his muscles to move at arbitrary speeds, yet he has no ability to deal with friction/air resistance/aerodynamic heating, or mitigate the potential damage from touching an object at ridiculous speeds. The energy requirements are perhaps a gray area, though I suspect that the other issues would come into play before this becomes a real problem.)

Presumably he would at least be able to achieve something a bit beyond Usain Bolt / Michael Phelps levels and so on (i.e. peak human physical ability, barring potential issues with whether his skeletal structure is strong enough to support it and whether he has good form), but that's still fairly mundane. Is there anything he could do that would be particularly cool or crimefighting-worthy?

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#13832: Aug 25th 2016 at 8:25:06 AM

[up] Not really, because he'd run into those secondary powers problems as soon as he started getting beyond "really awesome human" and into more fantastical actions, like running at 100 miles per hour or snatching bullets from the air.

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edited 25th Aug '16 8:26:06 AM by Fighteer

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
FerrousMaelstom Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#13833: Aug 25th 2016 at 11:13:44 AM

Most super powers require either Required Secondary Powers and/or physics-defying to be any fun at all.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#13834: Aug 25th 2016 at 12:20:33 PM

He should at least be able to beat a cheetah at about 75 miles/hour. As for faster, I remember this story about an airline pilot being sucked half out of the cockpit of his plane. He survived, but he did mention that breathing was rather hard, because it was like air was being forced into his lungs. That speed would probably be a good candidate for maximum speed without secondary powers. Perhaps if we figure out how much air pressure human lungs can produce at maximum, we can also deduce at what wind speed (and thus, running speed) breathing becomes impossible.

Optimism is a duty.
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#13836: Aug 25th 2016 at 1:06:51 PM

On the other hand, ye cannae change the laws of physics!
(And yes, I know that's a case of Beam Me Up, Scotty!, since the line's from The Firm's "Star Trekkin'", while the actual line from "The Naked Time" is "I can't change the laws of physics; I've got to have thirty minutes." Shhh.)

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#13838: Aug 26th 2016 at 7:01:22 AM

I think that's great statistics

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Cailleach Studious Girl from Purgatory Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
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#13839: Aug 26th 2016 at 7:21:14 AM

Linearization is much of a help anyway when it looks like that and you have to do 3,000 logarithms to get to it. Making up constellations would be much more telling. Those equations weren't telling us anything anyway, might as well make pretty pictures tongue

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#13840: Aug 26th 2016 at 7:29:00 AM

Linear regression is a useful tool when the data have identifiable correlations. When used on random data, it's worthless. Randall isn't saying that statistics as a science is flawed, but that flawed applications of it create garbage data.

edited 26th Aug '16 7:29:48 AM by Fighteer

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#13843: Aug 26th 2016 at 7:41:06 AM

Especially in science, it's hilarious how many backflips and data parkour you have to do to make your data linear. "It's linear, I promise! Let me just take the reciprocal one more time!"

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#13844: Aug 26th 2016 at 9:36:32 PM

I never understood the aversion to non-linear trend lines. A "U" tells you quite as much as a line.

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#13845: Aug 27th 2016 at 2:59:30 AM

[up]I think because people want to see whether a trend is generally up or down, and u-shapes are difficult to interpret in that way.

Optimism is a duty.
DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
#13846: Aug 27th 2016 at 6:46:53 AM

That's a very succinct way of putting it. Do you want to validate your pre-conceived beliefs, or do you want to discover what is actually happening in the world?

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#13847: Aug 27th 2016 at 9:15:43 AM

The latter, obviously. :p I was only guessing at why people would prefer one over the other.

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petersohn from Earth, Solar System (Long Runner) Relationship Status: Hiding
#13848: Aug 27th 2016 at 11:33:27 AM

There are cases when you just cannot apply simple models to complex things.

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#13849: Aug 27th 2016 at 1:52:19 PM

Also that's totally a martini with an olive and a slice... or maybe the umbrella's been blown inside out.

Brickman Gentleman Adventurer! from wherever adventure takes me Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: My own grandpa
Gentleman Adventurer!
#13850: Aug 27th 2016 at 5:37:33 PM

About the superpowers thing: I suspect that with a little practice and protective gloves, a superspeedster could probably throw any object that fits in their hand at speeds comparable to a bullet, as fast as he can pick them up or grab them out of a pouch. With enough practice you could probably aim it about as well as a baseball pitch (while standing still at least). So, well enough to always hit a human-sized target at reasonable distance. Combined with moving faster than a cheeta, that's not nothing.

But you probably won't be any more effective than, say, a squad of four people holding guns. And you'd be more effective if you just used a gun yourself.

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