Warhammer 40,000

Yes I know, and I tend to use more obscure chapters/units/etc. when I do use official stuff so they should be safe as well, it just means that my dream of painting one of every 40K model will become even more impossible than it already was. My main worry is the speed of change to the fluff as I am having trouble keeping up even now due to not being that fast a reader and having a lot of other books to read, projects work on and hobbies to enjoy. Not to mention work and other real life concerns.

edited 28th Jun '16 2:58:49 AM by SebastianGray

Well, if they pull an End Times, I don't think any faction will actually 'die off.' - even Bretonnia didn't get the axe until the final book.

If the stuff about the Daemon Primarchs returning is true, does that mean we'll see the glorious return of Rowboat Girlyman?

edited 28th Jun '16 4:42:15 AM by math792d

hopefully Magnus will come to back to rant about the FUCKING FURRIES

Oh by tzeetch make that happen, as Thousand son fan having been in the bad end of the stick by the damn furries is reaaaaaaaaally bad, I mean we are not "crave he name of chapter master in mortarion heart" kind of bad but anyway

THIS IS THE END TIMES THAT NEVER ENDS!
IT GOES ON AND ON MY FRIENDS!
SOME PEOPLE STARTING FIGHTING IT NOT KNOWING WHAT IS WAS
AND NOW THEY FIGHT FOREVER JUST BECAUSE!

edited 28th Jun '16 9:13:08 AM by SantosLHalper

I started a topic in the 40K FB group I'm in to try to find a pic for Absolute Xenophobe...hopefully it bears fruit.

I would buy into some plastic Thousand Sons, for sure. Magnus too, so long as I don't have to sell the car for him.

edited 29th Jun '16 6:13:23 PM by TheCuriousFan

It is happening. All of the usual sources are corroborating it. Its not a loss. They're just upping the conflict so they can sell End Times style models without the universal reboot.

Which factions would drop? Only the Tau are poised to be wiped, and they sell too well to die off.

edited 29th Jun '16 8:01:24 PM by Zeromaeus

I would assume the Eldar at least.

From my recollection:

Dark Eldar: There's a gate that's about to tear open and flood Commoragh with daemons while Vect and Malys fight each other assuming that the other wants the gate open. They're in for another Fall.

Eldar: They're dwindling and Ynnead is their only hope for survival and rebirth, and therein lies the problem, either they get squatted and Ynnead is a bust or Slaanesh and her followers get squatted by Ynnead.

Tau: There are a lot of things coming to kill them.

Blood Angels: Them and all of their successors are losing recruits to the black rage and red thirst faster than they can recruit them, if things don't change massively they're fucked by the timeline advancing.

The Imperium itself: The most unlikely to fall thanks to them being more popular than the rest of the factions even though everything in-universe points to it happening soon. Safe unless the writers' chaos boners take over again.

@Curious One

Don't worry, what'll actually happen is that it'll go from 5 minutes to midnight to 1 minute to 30 seconds to 15 seconds to 7.5 seconds...

edited 29th Jun '16 9:27:37 PM by SantosLHalper

For today's 2nd Edition Thursday: Bikes.

In 2nd Edition bikes were treated as vehicles rather than as their own type of unit. They had their own damage chart (where you could hit the bike or the rider), armour value (10 for Space Marine Bikes), three Speed settings (Slow, Combat, and Fast - 10", 15" & 30" respectively for Space Marine Bikes if I remember correctly), etc. They also had a number of special rules that were unique to them.

Movement: Bikes moved like vehicles at one of the three speed settings and could accelerate or decelerate one setting each turn. As with other vehicles a bike could only turn 45 degrees at a time, making infinite turns at Slow Speed, two turns (or combine them into a single 90 degree turn) at Combat Speed or one turn at Full Speed. A bike could however make as many special extra Skid Turns of 45 degrees but had to roll on a table to see if they succeeded:

Combat Speed Skid Turn: 1 - The turn succeeds but the biker and any passenger (such as a gunner on an attack bike) are too preoccupied to do anything else and so cannot fire that turn; 2-3 - The turn succeeds but the biker is too preoccupied to do anything else and so cannot fire that turn. Passengers could fire as normal; 4+ The turn succeeds.

Fast Speed Skid Turn: 1 - The bike crashes and is destroyed. The flaming wreck travelled straight forward for the remainder of its movement distance and then explodes causing a Strength 4 hit on any model within 1"; 2 - The turn succeeds but the biker and any passenger (such as a gunner on an attack bike) are too preoccupied to do anything else and so cannot fire that turn; 3-4 - The turn succeeds but the biker is too preoccupied to do anything else and so cannot fire that turn. Passengers could fire as normal; 5+ The turn succeeds.

Mounting & Dismounting: An infantry model could mount a stationary bike that is within 2" of him at the end of his move and ride off at the start of its next turn. Passangers could jump on or off a bike at any point in the bike's move but if they attempt this at a speed of over 10" then they suffer a hit with a Strength dependent on the speed (11" move means S1, 12" means S2, 13" mean S3, etc.). A rider could also jump off a moving bike if he wanted too suffering the same hit while the bike moves out of control for a turn before falling over and coming to a stop.

Collisions: If a bike hit a larger vehicle (in an intentional ram or as a result of being out of control) then it only caused damage to the part of the vehicle that it hit rather than having a chance of damaging all the vehicle's locations as is the case with larger vehicles. Bikes still has a chance of damaging all locations as normal.

Shooting: A rider could fire any bike mounted weapon in their Shooting phase using the vehicle's fire arc. Alternatively the rider could fire his own weapon with no restriction to fire arks. Trikes and sidecars (such as Attack Bikes) had a 180 degree forward fire arc.

Hit & Run Attacks: Riders and passengers on bikes could make a special Hit & Run attack on any models they passed during their movement. When the bike moves into base-to-base contact with an enemy model in the Movement Phase, a round of combat is rolled using the normal rules (each model rolls off, adding any modifiers with the higher score causing a number of hits equal to the difference between the two scores) except that each model only roles a single D6 rather than a number equal to their Attacks. Models that made a Hit and Run attack couldn't then fire in the Shooting Phase.

edited 30th Jun '16 1:31:14 AM by SebastianGray

The Imperium is a bit too big to fall quite so fast, odds are they'll loose a few good chunks of territory, a few Space Marine chapters will jump ship to Chaos, and their foes will gain a lot of ground, maybe the Tau Empire and Farsight Enclave will both expand? as for the Dark Eldar, I think they'll make an exodus to Eldar craftworlds, basically, massive shifts in the narrative, but no killing off of armies, the galaxy is big enough to support a lot of factions

Yeah, the Imperium could lose a whole brace of sectors and barely have its size affected. Have them lose an entire Segmentum, and then we can panic.

Unless the astronomicon is hit, them ALL bets are off

If you really wanted to be cruel: The God-Emperor, on his golden throne, with what little consciousness he has, is slowly becoming more and more furious with how his Imperium is shaping up. Eventually-the last straw is broken, and he turns to Chaos. Or, inversely-he becomes so hateful towards Chaos that he actually becomes some kind of avatar of Malaal (this would be kind of hard to do, though, since Malaal isn't canon anymore IIRC).

What malal? I think you talk about Malice

and we dont know about the emperor, right now his mind is broken in hundred of personalities each one clashing with each other, right now what would happen should the throne fail is unknow

edited 30th Jun '16 1:04:04 PM by unknowing

Alternatively, they give the Emperor a text-to-speech device... only for them to take it away the moment he voices his criticism of the current Imperium.

edited 30th Jun '16 1:39:47 PM by SantosLHalper

or to him start speaking another language because nobody bother to actually update the damn thing.

and about the "end times that never end"....is not that redundant? I meant the main complain about WH 40 K and Fantasy was that, and end times show why that didnt happen(because everybody knows, is forgone conclution) so GW is not saying anything new.

Also there is hint of end times drop recienly: the khaine gate, wulftern returting,Aun´va dying,the prophecy about slaanesh helping the eldar in great jest of cegorach,etc so if there is any end times, they are ready

I believe "End times that never end" is more "The Shape of the Nightmare To Come" or "Age of Dusk", really. Those do a pretty good job of at least seeing some things that might come if the Imperium collapses.

To be honest, I think it'd be best if 40K had a happy-ish ending, because the only thing that stops the setting from falling into Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy for me at least is the possibility of things getting better one day. Having said that, that would be pretty hard to pull off since a good ending for one faction might be a bad ending for another.

It should end with major figures from every faction frolicking through flowers while holding hands.

edited 30th Jun '16 3:11:17 PM by Protagonist506

Yeah, granted is still the end time from status quo that the game stand, fantasy already show the danger of doing that.

Meh, consider all faction already cross moral evident horizon already the only way a happy ending can happen if every faction suddenly dies

Also we already have age of sigmar for the happy-ish ending

Happy Ending: Empy gets off the throne, kicks the shit out of everyone He thinks is stupid, and leads the Imperium to peace and prosperity, giving the Tau a nice chunk of the eastern galaxy to rule over, the Eldar are allowed to travel through the galaxy unmolested, He burns the Dark Eldar's torture hole down personally, mind fucks the Nids hive mind, talk the Crons into hunting down the last Old Ones outside the galaxy, allows the Orks to continue doing what they do (while not getting too big) to keep the Imperium sharp, and everyone gangs up on Chaos

edited 30th Jun '16 6:00:53 PM by FieldMarshalFry

And them apologies to everyone for being such secretive asshole? because otherwise is just karma houdini for him.