No 40K thread yet? I'm surprised. Nay, shocked, shocked I say to discover there's gambling going on in this establishment...
I'm eagerly anticipating the imminent 5th Edition release, personally, but I was interested to know if anyone here plays and has a differing opinion on it. There are certainly plenty of people out there who seem to think that 40K 4th edition "only just" came out and that a new edition isn't needed. Anyone?
Warhammer Fantasy (including Age of Sigmar and WFRP) has its own thread here
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Edited by Mrph1 on Apr 22nd 2024 at 5:37:34 PM
Mhm. Still, not fond of Big E.
Regarding Sanguinius, I don't think so? You'd think he would have displayed more of it if he had Magnus' potential.
Then again, Lorgar basically one-shots Ultramarines with his psychic powers while barely looking at them, despite getting Empy's appearance or something.
edited 16th Apr '15 9:08:56 AM by joergenjetsam
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In the older fluff it was said that all the Primarchs had massive psychic potential, even the ones that disliked psykers, they just didn't develop in the same way. Russ couldn't do much beyond sense the presence of his brothers and the Emperor while Sanguinius and Night Hunter both had relatively powerful precognition but only Magnus took his powers to the extreme.
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That all you got?
Sanguinius's apparent death at Signus also outright killed a number of Blood Angels while the others fell victim to the Black Rage.
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Yeah. The psychic backlash was so strong there that it became a genetic condition.
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‘It is good of you to say that, Miss Vivar, but I appointed him,’ said Horus.
‘The responsibility lies with me. Throne! Guilliman will laugh when he hears of this: him and the Lion both. They will say that I was not fit to be Warmaster since I could not read the hearts of men.’
‘Never!’ cried Petronella. ‘They wouldn’t dare.’
‘Oh, they will, girl, believe me. We are brothers, yes, but like all brothers we squabble and seek to outdo one another.’
Petronella could think of nothing to say; the idea of the superhuman primarchs squabbling quite beyond her.
‘They were jealous, all of them,’ continued Horus. ‘When the Emperor named me Warmaster, it was all some of them could do to congratulate me. Angron especially, he was a wild one, and even now I can barely keep him in check. Guilliman wasn’t much better. I could tell he thought it should have been him.’
‘They were jealous of you?’ asked Petronella, unable to believe what the Warmaster was telling her, the memo-quill scratching across the data-slate in response to her thoughts.
‘Oh yes,’ nodded Horus bitterly. ‘Only a few of my brothers were gracious enough to bow their heads and mean it. Lorgar, Mortarion, Sanguinius, Fulgrim and Dorn – they are true brothers. I remember watching the Emperor’s Stormbird leaving Ullanor and weeping to see him go, but most of all I remember the knives I felt in my back as he went. I could hear their thoughts as clearly as though they spoke them aloud: why should I, Horus, be named Warmaster when there were others more worthy of the honour?’
‘You were made Warmaster because you were the most worthy, sir,’ said Petronella.
‘No,’ said Horus. ‘I was not. I was simply the one who most embodied the Emperor’s need at that time. You see, for the first three decades of the Great Crusade I fought alongside the Emperor, and I alone felt the full weight of his ambition to rule the galaxy. He passed that vision to me and I carried it with me in my heart as we forged our path across the stars. It was a grand adventure we were on, system after system reunited with the Master of Mankind. You cannot imagine what it was like to live in such times, Miss Vivar.’
‘It sounds magnificent.’
‘It was,’ said Horus. ‘It was, but it couldn’t last. Soon we were being drawn to other worlds where we discovered my brother primarchs. We had been scattered throughout the galaxy not long after our birth and, one by one, the Emperor recovered us all.’
‘It must have been strange to be reunited with brothers you had never known.’
‘Not as strange as you might think. As soon as I met each one, I had an immediate kinship with him, a bond that not even time or distance had broken. I won’t deny that some were harder to like than others. If you ever meet Night Haunter you’ll understand what I mean. Moody bastard, but handy in a tight spot when you need some alien empire shitting in its breeches before you attack.
‘Angron’s not much better, mind; he’s got a temper on him like you’ve never seen. You think you know anger, I tell you now that you don’t know anything until you’ve seen Angron lose his temper. And don’t get me started on the Lion.’
‘Of the Dark Angels? His is the First Legion is it not?’
‘It is,’ replied Horus, ‘and doesn’t he just love to remind everyone of that. I could see in his eyes that he thought he should have been Warmaster because his Legion was the first. Did you know he’d grown up living like an animal in the wilds, little better than a feral savage? I ask you, is that the sort of man you want as your Warmaster?’
‘No it’s not,’ said Horus, answering his own question. ‘Then who would you have picked to be Warmaster if not you?’ asked Petronella.
Horus appeared to be momentarily perturbed by her question, but said, ‘Sanguinius. It should have been him. He has the vision and strength to carry us to victory, and the wisdom to rule once that victory is won. For all his aloof coolness, he alone has the Emperor’s soul in his blood. Each of us carries part of our father within us, whether it is his hunger for battle, his psychic talent or his determination to succeed. Sanguinius holds it all. It should have been his…’
‘And what part of the Emperor do you carry, sir?’
‘Me? I carry his ambition to rule. While the conquest of the galaxy lay before us that was enough, but now we are nearing the end. There is a Kretan proverb that says that peace is always “over there”, but that is no longer true: it is within our grasp. The job is almost done and what is left for a man of ambition when the work is over?’
‘You are the Emperor’s right hand, sir,’ protested Petronella. ‘His favored son.’
‘No more,’ said Horus sadly. ‘Petty functionaries and administrators have supplanted me. The War Council is no more and I receive my orders from the Council of Terra now. Once everything in the Imperium was geared for war and conquest, but now we are burdened with eaxectors, scribes and scriveners who demand to know the cost of everything. The Imperium is changing and I’m not sure I know how to change with it.’
edited 17th Apr '15 1:10:45 AM by TheCuriousFan
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So yesterday I managed to get a 40k game down. I was playing IG, while my opponent was Space Marines. I initially suffered a lot of casualties due to the drop pods (that eventually cost me the game), but I managed to Give the Space Marine A Damn Good Licking by the end of the game: I wasn't able to take most of the objectives, but I did wipe out an entire squad of Space Marines with orders spam and nearly destroyed another with nothing but my bayonets by the end of the game, while the Space Marines only managed to kill one of my squads. 
That all you got?
Did the drop pods land on your guys or something?
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They can't do that in the rules.
They can land very nearby though.
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I'm back from the rumor mill once again.
Apparently an upcoming release is supposed to be an assassins focused board game. Like Space Hulk, it should have unique, 40K legal figures in it.
That is all.
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Holy shit they got buffed, even the Wraithguard get D-weapons now.
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I thought wraithguard had always had d-weapons.
Just be clear, they're the ones that tear open reality and submerge the target in the warp, right?
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Yes. Now all Distort and Wraith weapons are Strength D though.
I am a bit torn on this choice. From a fluff perspective it makes a lot of sense but from a game balance perspective it does seem a little overpowered.
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They also get jetbikes with scatter-lasers (4 S6 shots per turn each) for 27 points each in groups of up to 10 as standard troops.
edited 18th Apr '15 3:26:20 AM by TheCuriousFan
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That all you got?
When you say weapons are Strength-D do you mean like Fire Emblem rankings for weapons?
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I know nothing about Fire Emblem. 40k Strength D weapons are essentially Titan killers. When hit by one a models must roll on a Table with the results being: 1-Unharmed, 2-5 automatically suffer D3 Wounds, 6 automatically suffer D6+6 Wounds with no armour or invulnerable save allowed.
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That all you got?
Well, in Fire Emblem, weapons go from E to A, and the higher they go the stronger they are. Is it like this?
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No Strength D is the highest in the game
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That all you got?
Ah, okay.
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I believe it stands for "Destroyer", because that's what it does to almost anything it hits, but don't quote me on that.
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Can confirm that D does mean Destroyer, at least for older editions of 40k. Definitely remember reading that in the first Apocalypse book.
And I can confirm that that definition is in the latest White Dwarf book.
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A strength D weapon basically fries you; automatic penetrating hits, automatic death regardless of wounds, 1d3 structure points off a superheavy. I'm not sure of the current saves rules.
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Strength D used to be automatic, but if I've read it right now it still always has a 1/6 chance of failing to wound.
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Guys, should I create a Thousand Sons Sorcerer or a fallen Librarian as my Black Crusade character?
He was. Horus himself believed that Sanguinius was more worthy than himself of the title and status of Warmaster, citing his more comprehensive similarity to the Emperor as well as more or less actually sharing his vision for the future of humanity note .
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