Warhammer 40,000

That could only end in fire and death.

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I wonder, in the end, is Chaos destined to win?

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The Tyranids, Necrons and Orks would beg to differ. Everyone else is screwed though.

chaos already won, since they dont care to win just that the game is being play, they could only loose is the status quo is forced in some way like is happen right now with nagash in end times

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The only real way chaos would loose is if the Necrons or something won by depleting the galaxy of thinking and feeling entities, thus starving the chaos gods of nourishment and followers.

Tyranids work for that as well, I'd think. Your average Hormagaunt doesn't really have the capacity to feel emotions for a Chaos God to benefit from their actions, and by eating literally everything even Nurgle would lose out.

Every faction either has an endgame or doesn't care - like the Orks and Dark Eldar. Ultimately 40k ends just before the final dust-up to see who wins. A Bolivian Army Ending if you will.

edited 21st Nov '14 11:45:25 AM by Achaemenid

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I think the Imperium collapsing in blood and fire is pretty much a given.

Fair enough. I'll admit to not having read Titanicus yet but I have to admit everything so far mentioned as a negative actually intrigues me more.

edited 21st Nov '14 1:55:46 PM by pagad

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I don't think the Imperium is destined to collapse. The Eldar have lied before.

Eldar what? It' s a given because this is 40k, and Grimdark is Grimdark.

and that is why chaos have won, because the games follow, in a way chaos are the status quo gods here in the setting.

So anyway I still reading helsreach and I must said, it not just that Grimaldus is and asshole(but he is) because he have pet the dog moment, but he his entire worldview, he despiese fear of any kind into the point he have trobule not hating the human population he is supose to protect, he dosent have any issues in impose his marine culture against the mechanicus but he can get really annoying(and downright threating) is someone ofend him

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

Too big without the resources to defend its territory, too many enemies without and within, and the lynchpin to its very existence is dying.

The Imperium's fucked.

With cannon shot and gun blast smash the alien. With laser beam and searing plasma scatter the alien to the stars.

Chaos can't win. Tzeentch's endgame is explicitly self-defeating; Khorne's will depopulate the very galaxy that powers him; Slaanesh will do the same, only slower and with more people having starved to death in catatonia; when all are in Nurgle's embrace, none will need his protection.

If the galaxy truly burned, Chaos would cease to exist shortly thereafter.

The only folks with a viable endgame are the Tyranids, because they made an extra-galactic trip once and they can probably do it again. The Necrons are kidding themselves if they think they have the manpower they need to deal with the galaxy as-is. Orks don't really have an endgame; it's the same as all their other parts of the game.

edited 21st Nov '14 5:22:31 PM by Night

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But you could argue that the galaxy as it exists is their win-state, and so their efforts are mainly to get what they can out of it and maintain it as it is.

You're forgetting two facts: It's nigh-impossible to destroy a Necron so thoroughly that they cannot be eventually brought back to active, combat-capable condition (and it takes a lot of such "resurrections" to screw up their mental stability/integrity), and they're nowhere near having awakened the majority of their number (or what's left of them since ancient times, to be accurate).

edited 22nd Nov '14 3:15:38 AM by MarqFJA

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Also, if it turns out the Necrons have more of their World Engines then they are definitely as big a threat as the 'Nids.

... I'd be very surprised if that was the only "specimen" in their arsenal. Or that it's the strongest weapon in it.

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There's also the Silent King - who knows what he's up to?

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He is currently focused on defending against the 'Nids. Apparently he ran into them on is trip outside the galaxy and didn't like what he saw.

yeah but the necron dosent like other necros that much, i think GW did because the necron were a little bit god mode sue in the older editions(and of course do given something diferent)

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

If you honestly think the Necrons have the raw numbers to take the Orks as a group, or Chaos, both which are also subject to incredibly easy replacements...yeah, no, especially because Chaos, for example, doesn't obey the normal rules about finding and destroying them at the source. Which we know it possible; the Imperium has mounted strikes on Tomb Complexes and shut them down and they don't have half of the tricks up their sleeve that Chaos does. They may not even have the numbers to manage the Tyranids when fully awakened, as we know that some Necron empires woke up to find the Tyranids bearing down on them and were squished despite their non-organic nature, though at great cost.

As for the Orks, well, the statement has been made many times if they ever got organized they could sweep the galaxy clean of everyone, Human, Necron, Tau, and Tyranid alike.

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Yes and this is something Ghazghkull is now actively working towards on the orders of the Ork Gods. You also have to remember that some (old) fluff implies that Gork and Mork are actually more powerful than Khorne when they put their minds to it.

Together, or individually? Because I'm leaning towards a "each is roughly as powerful as Khorne, but if they're working together their combined strength vastly exceeds the actual sum of their separate strengths" interpretation.

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Heck, they could even be less powerful than Khorne and still vastly more powerful than him in tandem.

The same way that they can be brutally cunning and cunningly brutal.