Warhammer 40,000

can space marines swim? out of armor of course, though they could have scuba gear on

Unless it's under twenty models, I'm not convinced you've gone to the darkside, honestly.

Probably. If elephants can do it, astartes should too, even with all that muscle mass and super-dense bone. But if they do sink, they've still got their multi-lung to let them breathe underwater, so it's not a big deal. Real men cross oceans on foot anyway.

They could definitely swim out of their armor. And both Power Armor and Terminator suits could, at worst, just sink to the surface and keep walking.

"Sink to the surface" is an oxymoron. You are looking for "sink to the bottom/seafloor/riverbed/lakebed".

Space Marines technically don't need to breathe air, so.

They don't? First time I heart that. Why do they need the Multi-lung, then?

That's what I was talking about. I just got my fluff wrong.

It could also be read as "sink to the surface of the ocean floor", though that's a stretch for me.

Edit: you guys post so fast it's ridiculous.

edited 22nd Apr '12 7:18:47 AM by TheInferno

That's actually what I meant... after reading my post a few times over though, yeah it doesn't really make sense.

Question, would a Primarch swim, or would he simply punch the water into orbit?

Why not simply walk on the Water...

Depends on the Primarch. Sanguinius would fly over the water, of course, and look fabulous doing so. Perturabo would build an elaborate network of coastal bunkers and dare the water to make a move. Jaghatai would ramp it. Angron would just kill the ocean. Night Haunter would wage a campaign of terror so shocking that the water would retreat when he stepped onto the beach. Guilliman would construct a mighty warship, assemble an expert crew to sail it, then write a book about his voyage and get pissy if others crossed the water differently.

I suppose Mortarion would cast himself into the water and see where he washes up?

edited 22nd Apr '12 11:51:21 AM by Durazno

Russ would pour titanic amounts of alcohol in the water, then drink it.

Magnus would transmute the water into fertile farmland and get attacked by the Space Wolves for his efforts. Vulkan would evaporate it to cool his latest creation. Horus tried to cross the water but cracked under pressure and turned to the Dark Gods. Corax crossed while you weren't looking. Alpharius was the water all along.

What about Omegon? Wait, I know: Alpharius/Omegon was the water, and Omegon/Alpharius walked over him!

edited 22nd Apr '12 1:57:38 PM by MarqFJA

You know, had the Loyalists known the truth, the Horus Heresy should probably have been called the Lorgar Heresy.

There needs to be a horus heresy book told from the xenos perspective, a new perspective is always fun Better yet, a Farsight novel series, if the Eldar get a book series, so should the Tau, though it might ruin his mystery

The Tau weren't about in the grim darkness of hte thirty-first millennium.

Eldar perspective would be interesting.

Eldar perspective? Probably this:

edited 23rd Apr '12 9:21:16 AM by 3of4

@Medinoc: Well, technically, all Lorgar did was pave the way for Horus' eventual corruption to Chaos; in the end, it was purely Horus' personal choice to pledge his loyalty to Chaos, even after Magnus revealed the deception of Erebus, Lorgar's First Captain.

Oh, and in any case, the whole corruption of the Astartes Legions and the Primarchs started with Erebus, not Lorgar.

Wow.

I just finished getting caught up with The Age Of Dusk.

In related news, I have just solidified my headcanon for what happens after 40k.

edited 24th Apr '12 8:02:43 PM by Archereon

I've got a question for the seasoned Deathwatch players here. Can someone list the virtues of the Tactical Marine; specifically in relation to Assault and Devastator Marines? My group is still convinced that they are useless and while I'm not going to force anyone to play one I'd still like first person evidence to prove my point.

Also, any other general hints about running the game? I've run a Black Crusade campaign so I know the rules but I'm still curious.

edited 24th Apr '12 8:40:40 PM by Rationalinsanity

They act much the same as on the tabletop, jacks of all trades, masters of none, with a bit more shooty tendencies. They also carry the small-arms (i.e stuff like combi-weapons, bolters, meltaguns etc) as well as act as the best leaders (having Command from the outset and getting bonuses to Cohesion.)

As a general rule of thumb: Have a mix of elites and mooks, because your players will murder the books. Also, don't be afraid if your players are doing well; in Deathwatch, you're either winning or you're losing. There's no middle ground.

Feel free to use special weapons to force them to use cover, dodge etc.

edited 25th Apr '12 12:05:48 AM by math792d