Warhammer 40,000

I was going to bring that up on the Discussion page myself. As I have said before I feel these pages should be kept for mostly 40K era information and information that is relevant to all eras so Heresy and pre-Heresy era only stuff shouldn't be there. There is the Horus Heresy novel series pages that could be used for 30K stuff but as these seem to be from Forge World rather than the books I don't know if it would be appropriate to put them there. I suppose we could make a Forge World Horus Heresy page, especially considering the rumors that it is going to get its own rules rather than use the 8th Edition 40K rules.

I agree that these pages should be kept to the current 40K meta and models.

edited 27th Sep '17 3:59:00 AM by Willbyr

Do you mean timeline wise or game wise.

For example I feel these pages should cover the Age of the Imperium to Dark Imperium eras timeline wise but should also cover all eight editions of the game, and the Gaiden Games, if there are tropes for them (as long as the edition being covered is noted).

Double post for the Vostroyan First Born preview

Doctrine: Heirloom Weapon - +6" range to all Heavy & Rapid Fire Weapons with a range of 24" or over.

Order: Repel the Enemy! - Can fire any weapon when within 1" of an enemy model.

There is also an interesting Rumour Engine comparison pic floating around◊.

That’s what I was getting at.

I assume this Rogal Dorn stuff is for 30k?

edited 27th Sep '17 10:06:31 AM by KusaMigeru

Is his model and rules out for HH yet? I think that if they bring him back to 40k it'll have a lot more fanfare.

Apparently all of the primarchs have had rules for Horus Heresy, but not models?

I think that Sanguinius at least doesn't.

snerk

If it's Dorn, can we get an optional Magic Pain Glove bit?

We do not have rules for Sanguinius, Lion, or Khan. Presumably the original plan was to include them in the final Forge World HH book covering the Siege of Terra, as well as the last few battles that kept so many like Lion away while Horus struck the Throneworld.

edited 27th Sep '17 2:27:05 PM by ViperMagnum357

I can't imagine what the rules for Sanguinius would be like, given that his whole shtick was that he was The Paragon among the Primarchs.

I would asssume that in lieu of a whole bevy of crazy special rules, Sanguinius will instead have the best stats possible for a Primarch, then one fairly vanilla special rule each for every bonus possessed by the Primarchs; something like WS-9 BS-7 S-7 T-7 W-7 I-8 A-6 Ld-10 Sv-2+/3++Inv/6+FNP, with rules providing a strategic bonus, a formation bonus, a squad bonus, an alternate formation detachment, and one special attack.

edited 27th Sep '17 9:11:27 PM by ViperMagnum357

For today's 2nd Edition Thursday: Hallucinogen Grenades

While still around in some form or another, 2nd Edition Hallucinogen Genades were quite fun.

Hallucinogen is an invisible hallucinogenic gas which affects troops who inhale it. It has strange and unpredictable effects upon the mind, turning victims into slavering idiots, homicidal maniacs, or passive zombies. Only troops isolated from their environment were safe. Space Marines wearing power or Terminator armour were not affected, and neither were Eldar Aspect Warriors: these troops wear sealed armour which has its own air supply. Enclosed vehicles and dreadnoughts were also immune as they are assumed to be airtight. Other troops, including Space Marine Scouts, Imperial Guard, Eldar Guardians, and Orks, had to try as best they could to avoid breathing in too much of the gas.

The grenade was thrown as normal and a 1½” radius blast marker was placed on the spot where it hit to represent the spread of the gas. Models whose bases were totally within the area are hit because they couldn't avoid breathing in the gas. Models whose bases were partly within the area are hit on a D6 roll of 4, 5 or 6. Models hit had to roll a D6 with vulnerable models being affected by the gas on a 4+.

The gas was not persistent but dispersed almost immediately with the blast marker being removed once it was worked out which models were affected. The gas was assumed to have become too dilute to have any further effect. Models affected were subject to some sort of compulsory or erratic behaviour. This could be permanent or it could last for several turns, in which case squad coherency didn't have to be maintained by affected models. If models recovered then they had to attempt to re-join their squads as soon as possible. The effects of hallucinogen gas was determined for each victim separately and could last for one or several turns. The player rolled a D10 and consulted the Hallucinogen Effects Table for each model:

1 - Your hands and limbs are slimy tentacles and your fingers turn into writhing worms! You know this is an illusion and try to snap out of it. Roll a D6. On 1-3 roll again on this chart. On 4-6 the model shrugged off the illusion and suffered no further effects.

2 - The world is spinning and everything is all jumbled up. Your friends are all speaking too fast, you are speaking too slowly and somewhere you can hear inexplicable laughter. The faces around you change into familiar faces of old friends, old comrades, warriors long dead and buried. You are going mad! At the start of each following turn roll a D6. On the score of a 1-3 the model could do nothing that turn; on the score of a 4-6 the model shrugged off the illusion and suffers no further effects.

3 - Thousands of spiders drop onto you, crawling into your armour and inside your clothing, swarming over your face and hands. You fall to the ground clawing and scratching your own body. The model could do nothing while the illusion lasted. At the start of each following turns roll a D6: on the score of a 6 the illusion ended with no further effect.

4 - In the nearest patch of cover you see something move, something horrible, something dangerous… The model could not move, but had to shoot into the nearest patch of cover regardless of what, if anything, was within it. The model remained immobile, shooting into the cover while the illusion lasted. At the start of each of following turn roll a D6. On the score of a 6 the illusion ended with no further effect.

5 - Now is your chance to slip away from the others while no-one is looking. You’ll be home within a week and all this will just be a bad memory. In its next movement phase the model headed off towards the nearest table edge, moving as fast as possible and without shooting. The model continued to move until it left the table.

6 - The sky is so big and wide and inviting. Why don’t you just fly into it like a bird, rolling and tumbling on the wind? The individual drops his weapon, his eyes become wide and vacant, he begins to jump up and down and flap his arms furiously. The model moved around the table randomly each turn, flapping his arms and staring at the sky, and continued to do this until it left the table.

7 - The enemy are all around, behind every rock, hiding in the forests, in tunnels beneath your feet, dropping down from the skies on grav-chutes. Fire, fire, fire! It’s your only chance. Keep shooting. Keep moving! The model goes completely out of control, shooting randomly and screaming about the enemy. During the model’s own turn it was moved randomly at normal speed, and shot its weapons in a random direction. Roll to hit the first model in the direction of fire (if any). The model continued to move and fire in this out of control state for the rest of the game.

8 - Your fellow troopers are out to get you! They’re probably traitors, they all hate you and mean to kill you if you let them. But you’re too clever to fall for their tricks! You’ll get them first! In its own turn the model would attempt to shoot the nearest model, be it friend or foe, moving in such a way so that it can do so. The model continued to shoot at the nearest target for the remainder of the game, moving towards it where this did not prevent shooting.

9 - It’s all too much – the war, the killing, the endless misery. Chronically depressed, the trooper sits down upon the ground oblivious to everything around him. The model remained in its current position for the remainder of the game, burbling quietly about ‘the horror’, and could do nothing else.

10 - Suddenly it’s all so clear! The fighting, your fellow troopers, everything, it’s all so funny! Nothing matters any more, it’s a huge cosmic joke. You begin to laugh. During its own movement phase the model moved as fast as possible in a randomly determined direction, screaming hysterically, and gesturing insanely as the nearest troops. The model continued in this fashion until it left the table. It could do nothing else.

sweet Emperor, the Guard Codex stream gave us some great info, Cadians re-roll 1's if they stay still, that applies to EVERYTHING, so a Russ that doesn't move shoots twice and re-rolls 1's to hit, AND stacks with Take Aim! to be improved to a flat re-roll to hit, Basilisks are now AP-3, Super Heavy tanks no longer suffer any penalty for moving and shooting (but don't get Grinding Advance, but do stack with Regimental doctrines), Grenadiers is back, but now is a stratagem that allows you to throw nades in Overwatch instead of shooting, Scions should now be taken in a separate detachment as, if they're within half range, any to hit rolls of a 6 allow them to shoot the target again, and there is a stratagem that allows vehicles to hit on 2's in melee (inhales) Spearhead detachment Russ get Objective Secured (as lets face it, if 3+ Russ are parked on an objective that objective is secured) and we finally know what Burn It Out! does, it gives flamers Ignores Cover and lets them re-roll how many hits they make

So they took one of the top armies and gave it buffs across the board. Neat.

And remember how "reroll misses if they don't move aura" is a once-per-game buff for Tau?

T'au are still cheese

One, that's irrelevant to the point, two, exactly two units are whereas a signifcant eprcent of the army is crap.

Valhallan Ice Warriors have been previewed as well

Doctrine: Grim Demeanour - Half the number of models flee for every failed Morale chaeck & Vehicles double their wounds for working out their Damage chart.

Order: Fire On My Command! - Fire into combat but every 1 to hit means one of your models is hit instead.

Stratagem: Send in the Next Wave! - Bring Infantry Squads back from the dead.

Steel Legion and Cadian were leaked in a livestream.

Ah right, I don't do livestreams (in all honestly I don't really know what a livestream is as I am not too tech-savvy).

Should a note to not put heresy/pre-heresy only stuff on the pages be put somewhere on the pages do you think?

It's basically a live broadcast, only over the internet instead of TV channels.

ya just need to click the link to Twitch and you'll watch it

I have no idea what Twitch is either.

A platform dedicated for livestreams.