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This is the thread for discussion of The Order of the Stick plot, characters, etc. We have a separate thread for discussing game rules and mechanics. Excessive rules discussions here may be thumped as off-topic.

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#32976: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:23:57 PM

I would expect Belkar to have at least +3 daggers by now; he could at least inflict Scratch Damage on Crystal.

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#32977: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:31:34 PM

Belkar probably has magical daggers and has STR bonus, plus he is dual wielding. He definitely has better chances against the golem than Haley. Heck, even V with Magic Missile has a better chance.

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Adannor Since: May, 2010
#32978: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:34:32 PM

[up]Dual wielding doesn't help here.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#32979: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:39:35 PM

Yeah, that's actually part of the problem. Each attack is calculated against DR separately, so his net effectiveness is far reduced.

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#32980: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:40:13 PM

So, is Belkar the least optimized member of the Order?

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#32981: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:46:40 PM

Probably. He's a spellcaster who can't actually cast spells. He pretty much just took ranger for the free dual-wielding feats, which is an unimaginably stupid reason to take ranger.

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#32982: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:47:50 PM

I once took Ranger just so I could have an animal companion. Is that more, or less stupid?

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Elfive Since: May, 2009
#32983: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:48:08 PM

Belkar is exponentially more effective in battle than his build has any right to be.

Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#32984: Mar 20th 2015 at 3:59:53 PM

[up][up] That's another thing. Until he got Mr. Scruffy, he had no animal companion. No tracking, no spells, no companion. He was basically just a fighter.

Adannor Since: May, 2010
#32985: Mar 20th 2015 at 4:02:13 PM

>So, is Belkar the least optimized member of the Order?

Mechanically, yes he is. He only gets by on probability bending over in favour of comedic slaughter and by going after the mooks.

troacctid "µ." from California Since: Apr, 2010
#32986: Mar 20th 2015 at 9:15:42 PM

Belkar has a +5 collision dagger now, FWIW, as of the "Collision Testing" strip. The extra 5 damage from the collision property basically cancels out the golem's DR.

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#32987: Mar 21st 2015 at 12:29:08 AM

[up]Darnit, ninja'd by one post. I was just about to ask if that new dagger would help.

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#32988: Mar 21st 2015 at 3:58:11 AM

Dual wielding gives a penalty to attack, and DR is reduced from damage, so given that Belkar has a big enough attack bonus already, the dual wielding definitely doesn't hurt against Crystal. So his new +5 collision dagger has 1d4+10+STR bonus damage (and Belkar probably has some STR bonus, even if not as much as Roy), and he has another attack with his other dagger, which is also probably magical, so that's another 1d4+?+STR bonus (say, 1d4+5 total). Still, it's probably Roy who is the most effective against Crystal. Let's say he has a STR of 18, that's a bonus of 4, which is counted 1.5 times because he wields his weapon in two hands, so that's a total of 2d6+11 damage, and it may also overcome Crystal's DR. If V casts Bull's Strength on him, then it becomes 2d6+14 instead. If she also casts Haste, he gets an additional attack too. So the best chance against Crystal would definitely be Roy buffed by V.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#32989: Mar 21st 2015 at 7:58:13 AM

You forgot Roy's Belt of Giant Strength. If we assume it's a +4, that brings him up to 22 Strength, with a modifier of +6. Count it by 1.5 because of the two-hander (which I forgot about) and we have 2d6+14, not counting buffs from V.

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#32990: Mar 21st 2015 at 9:02:14 AM

Does a Belt of Giant Strength and the Bull's Strength spell stack? Because that would be a total of 26 STR, giving him a total damage of 2d6+17.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#32991: Mar 21st 2015 at 9:14:09 AM

No, they're both enhancement bonuses, so you only get the bigger one.

Adannor Since: May, 2010
#32992: Mar 21st 2015 at 9:15:52 AM

IIRC those are actually the same category bonus so only the higher applies.

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#32993: Mar 21st 2015 at 11:37:35 AM

Dang. And since both give +4, Bull's Strength would have no use on Roy. It may be effective on Belkar though.

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#32994: Mar 21st 2015 at 1:56:41 PM

A shame you'll probably get called a pretentious hipster (after they get over a Gazebo situation) if you try to use that.
Well, I am a pretentious hipster, so no fear of that.

It is a pretty pteripple name though.

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#32995: Mar 21st 2015 at 5:57:58 PM

Pterippus is in fact a trope page...

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#32996: Mar 27th 2015 at 4:54:00 PM

I just realized that we haven't seen Bloodfeast at all this book. I wonder if Rich is saving him for something special.

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#32997: Mar 27th 2015 at 5:34:48 PM

With a dinosaur as an animal companion Belkar is likely the most damage dealing member of the order now. He can't run out of bites or claws, and the allosaur probably outputs so much damage DR probably just calls it a day and goes home in shame

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#32998: Mar 27th 2015 at 5:50:33 PM

[up][up] First panel, in the background.

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#32999: Mar 27th 2015 at 7:43:34 PM

I missed that somehow. I think it's really cute how he's cuddling with Mr. Scruffy.

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#33000: Mar 27th 2015 at 9:16:05 PM

I been playing Pokemon Gen III and my first thought was Breeding at the Daycare

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