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** [[Literature/TheMagicSchoolBus Karalos.]][[note]]After Karamatsu's IncrediblyLamePun-spewing endeavor during "It's a Birthday Party, dajo", bad puns are usually attributed to him. [[/note]]

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** [[Literature/TheMagicSchoolBus Karalos.]][[note]]After Karamatsu's IncrediblyLamePun-spewing {{Pun}}-spewing endeavor during "It's a Birthday Party, dajo", bad puns are usually attributed to him. [[/note]]
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* MisaimedMarketing: The show does have a child fanbase, after all, but it's [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids not quite for them]]. Although it can be argued that the toys are meant for adult collectors, that doesn't quite explain the official T-shirts and hoodies that come in kids' sizes.

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* MisaimedMarketing: MisaimedMerchandising: The show does have a child fanbase, after all, but it's [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids not quite for them]]. Although it can be argued that the toys are meant for adult collectors, that doesn't quite explain the official T-shirts and hoodies that come in kids' sizes.

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** People are divided over Season 2. Some fans feel it’s as funny as, or even funnier than, ever, but others believe it lost the spark that made Season 1 so great. The increase in CringeComedy and toilet/vulgar humor in Season 2 is a special point of contention; either it’s bad because it’s starting to rely too much on shock value, or it’s refreshing because the show gets to do whatever it wants without restraint. [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-04-09/manga-creator-reiji-yamada-explains-why-mr-osomatsu-2nd-season-bombed-in-japan/.130012 Manga creator Reiji Yamada]] speculates that the increased CringeComedy and vulgar humor was an intentional response by the staff to dissuade the substantial fujoshi fanbase the show had amassed during the first season, which ultimately caused the season's viewership to steadily decline.

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** People are divided over Season 2. Some fans feel it’s as funny as, or even funnier than, ever, but others believe it lost the spark that made Season 1 so great. The increase in CringeComedy and toilet/vulgar humor in Season 2 is a special point of contention; either it’s bad because it’s starting to rely too much on shock value, or it’s it’s refreshing because the show gets to do whatever it wants without restraint. [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-04-09/manga-creator-reiji-yamada-explains-why-mr-osomatsu-2nd-season-bombed-in-japan/.130012 Manga creator Reiji Yamada]] speculates that the increased CringeComedy and vulgar humor was an intentional response by the staff to dissuade the substantial fujoshi fanbase the show had amassed during the first season, which ultimately caused the season's viewership to steadily decline.


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* IKnewIt: Those who predicted episodes 24 and 25 of season 2 would be a redo of [[spoiler: "Letter" and "Such As It Was"]] had no idea how right they were.
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** Shippers who highly dislikes Osomatsu/Choromatsu and Ichimatsu/Karamatsu and feel that both pairings are abusive and/or [[AntiShippingGoggles unworkable]], settle with Karamatsu/Choromatsu and Osomatsu/Ichimatsu, instead.

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** Shippers who highly dislikes Osomatsu/Choromatsu and Ichimatsu/Karamatsu and feel that both pairings are abusive and/or [[AntiShippingGoggles unworkable]], unworkable, settle with Karamatsu/Choromatsu and Osomatsu/Ichimatsu, instead.
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*** This criticism of Choromatsu has reared its ugly head again following the release of TheMovie. [[spoiler:His desire to stay in the memory world to gawk at high-school Totoko and junior-high Nyaa-chan can come off as incredibly creepy to some fans. Granted Jyushimatsu calls him out on it immediately, but the [[UnfortunateImplications unfortunate implication]] is still there.]]

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*** This criticism of Choromatsu has reared its ugly head again following the release of TheMovie. [[spoiler:His desire to stay in the memory world to gawk at high-school Totoko and junior-high Nyaa-chan can come off as incredibly creepy to some fans. Granted Jyushimatsu calls him out on it immediately, but the [[UnfortunateImplications unfortunate implication]] implication is still there.]]
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** Some fans believe that rather than being [[LoveMakesYouStupid oblivious]] to her selfish nature, the sextuplets love Totoko ''because'' she's as petty and shallow as they are.

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** Some fans believe that rather than being [[LoveMakesYouStupid [[LoveMakesYouDumb oblivious]] to her selfish nature, the sextuplets love Totoko ''because'' she's as petty and shallow as they are.
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** In "Interview," Choromatsu's character asks Jyushimatsu what motivated him to apply--Jyushi mishears part of the question ("dokyo") as the sound effect for a heartbeat ("doki"), and mimes a painful heart attack. In English, Choro asks him about "a struggle" he's faced, which Jyushi interprets as "strangle".
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** In the original, when asked by his brothers what Totoko gave him to be her idol manager, he stammers his answer, making his brothers freak out--the first syllable in the sentence "She patted me on the back," is "se-", which sounds like "sex". In the dub, he mutters that it was "Just the tip"...of Totoko's finger, which is what she touched his arm with.
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* {{Woolseyism}}: The Viz English dub does its best to stay true to the spirit of the original while still appealing to Western audiences. Some replacements are a surprisingly good match for the original joke or reference.
** In "Iyami and Chibita's Rental Girlfriends", Iyami almost gives his disguise away with his VerbalTic of adding "zansu" to the end of sentences--he covers by claiming he was talking about Zangief, from Street Fighter. Since Iyami loses the tic in the English dub, the reference relies on his Francophilia instead. He almost gives himself away by saying "bonjour," but covers by talking about Balrog (another Street Fighter character) instead.
** In the Jyushimatsu special, Choromatsu tells Jyushi he's mixing up "yaoi" (BL manga) with "yakyuu" (baseball). The dub keeps the yaoi, but changes the second half to "Yay," as in "Yay, baseball."
** In "The Karamatsu Incident," Jyushimatsu mishears Chibita's demands over the phone. First he mishears "kidnapped" (yuukai) as "yokai", thinking Karamatsu's been turned into a demon. Then he mishears "high tide" (manchou) and thinks Karamatsu's getting an enema (kanchou) in the ocean. In English, he mishears "ransom" (thinking someone said Karamatsu is handsome), then assumes "high tide" means Karamatsu is gonna overdose and die from getting high off of the ocean.
** Ichimatsu's impression of Karamatsu was sprinkled with some GratuitousEnglish in the original dub, even mixing up the words for "outlet" (konsento) and "beauty contest" (kontesuto). For obvious reasons, the English version changes this to Ichimatsu just randomly telling objects how cool they are.
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** Osomatsu wearing a vampire costume brings to mind a [[AudioPLay/DiabolikLovers certain other series]] and a Japanese dub of [[Literature/{{Twilight}} films]] about vampires that Creator/TakahiroSakurai worked on in the past.

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** Osomatsu wearing a vampire costume brings to mind a [[AudioPLay/DiabolikLovers certain other series]] and a Japanese dub of [[Literature/{{Twilight}} [[Film/{{Twilight}} films]] about vampires that Creator/TakahiroSakurai worked on in the past.
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** Akumatsu makes one real appearance, and it's as a big, black, shadow monster with no discernable features. Following his debut episode, most fanartists decided to draw Akumatsu as a Matsuno variant like Godmatsu, but this time with bloodshot eyes and fangs.

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** Akumatsu Evilmatsu makes one real appearance, and it's as a big, black, shadow monster with no discernable features. Following his debut episode, most fanartists decided to draw Akumatsu Evilmatsu as a Matsuno variant like Godmatsu, but this time with bloodshot eyes and fangs.
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** Akumatsu makes one real appearance, and it's as a big, black, shadow monster with no discernable features. Following his debut episode, most fanartists devided to draw Akumatsu as a Matsuno variant like Godmatsu, but this time with bloodshot eyes and fangs.

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** Akumatsu makes one real appearance, and it's as a big, black, shadow monster with no discernable features. Following his debut episode, most fanartists devided decided to draw Akumatsu as a Matsuno variant like Godmatsu, but this time with bloodshot eyes and fangs.
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** Akumatsu makes one real appearance, and it's as a big, black, shadow monster with no discernable features. Following his debut episode, most fanartists devided to draw Akumatsu as a Matsuno variant like Godmatsu, but this time with bloodshot eyes and fangs.

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* FunnyAneurysmMoment:
** The very beginning of "The Melancholy of Osomatsu" is funny the first time, since Osomatsu imagining that his brothers are playing cards with him (spot-on voice imitation of them included) is the whole punchline. After you've watched [[DarkerAndEdgier "Sanematsu-san"]], it can be a bit chilling instead, since it's almost the same thing but PlayedForDrama.
** Nyaa-chan's boasting about her getting a hot and smart fiance in "Totoko's Big Panic" rings a little sad come Season 3, since [[spoiler:she's not only broken up with the guy, but also left to raise his child alone]].
** Osomatsu's "I love you, Reika!" line from all the way back in Season 1 becomes this in Season 3, where a whole episode is devoted to [[spoiler:Osomatsu and Nyaa-chan falling in love with each other, but never managing to commit]].


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** The very beginning of "The Melancholy of Osomatsu" is funny the first time, since Osomatsu imagining that his brothers are playing cards with him (spot-on voice imitation of them included) is the whole punchline. After you've watched [[DarkerAndEdgier "Sanematsu-san"]], it can be a bit chilling instead, since it's almost the same thing but PlayedForDrama.
** Nyaa-chan's boasting about her getting a hot and smart fiance in "Totoko's Big Panic" rings a little sad come Season 3, since [[spoiler:she's not only broken up with the guy, but also left to raise his child alone]].
** Osomatsu's "I love you, Reika!" line from all the way back in Season 1 becomes this in Season 3, where a whole episode is devoted to [[spoiler:Osomatsu and Nyaa-chan falling in love with each other, but never managing to commit]].
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* AlternativeJokeInterpretation / HilariousInHindsight: At the time the first Mr Flag episode aired, Choromatsu's "OBAMA?!" yell was funny just because of the delivery. It was justified in that Hatabou knowing the US President was surprising. Due to AnimationLeadTime, the English dub came out years after Obama had left the office and quietly retired--Hatabou being contacted by a world leader makes much more sense than being contacted by a random former celebrity, making Choromatsu's outburst that much more confused.

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* AlternativeJokeInterpretation / HilariousInHindsight: At the time the first Mr Flag episode aired, Choromatsu's "OBAMA?!" yell was funny just because of the delivery. It was justified in that Hatabou knowing the US President was surprising. Due to AnimationLeadTime, ProductionLeadTime, the English dub came out years after Obama had left the office and quietly retired--Hatabou being contacted by a world leader makes much more sense than being contacted by a random former celebrity, making Choromatsu's outburst that much more confused.
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* WhatAnIdiot: "The Star of Hope, Todomatsu" has Todomatsu see if he can take any of his brothers to a mixer with him. He already established that he needed someone to make himself look better and ruled out anyone uninteresting or more successful than him, but after he dismisses all of them and is forced to choose, which person does he go with? [[TheAce Atsushi]], the only one of his acquaintances with decent looks, a car, and money.
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* ThemePairing: CrackPairing Ichimatsu/Nyaa-chan have never talked to each other, let alone exchanged glances. The only thing they have in common is a cat theme and Ichi's secret fetish for cat girls. And sometimes, that's all that some fans need.
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** "Who the fuck is Karamatsu" [[note]] Someone unfamiliar with the series made this [[https://twitter.com/TheMarcStone/status/682307732121214978 tweet]] to express his confusion and the tweet then spread around the Osomatsu twitter fandom. [[/note]]

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** "Who the fuck is Karamatsu" [[note]] Someone unfamiliar with the series made this [[https://twitter.com/TheMarcStone/status/682307732121214978 tweet]] to express a tweet expressing his confusion and the tweet then spread around the Osomatsu twitter fandom. [[/note]]



** "Let Fappymatsu be Happymatsu." [[note]] After "Accident?" caused problems with censors, fans were appalled and made [[https://twitter.com/joskapader/status/697231739387842560 tweets]] to express themselves. [[/note]]

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** "Let Fappymatsu be Happymatsu." [[note]] After "Accident?" caused problems with censors, fans were appalled and made [[https://twitter.com/joskapader/status/697231739387842560 tweets]] tweets to express themselves. [[/note]]
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* MisaimedFandom: A cast interview reveals that "ESP Kitty" was supposed to be [[TastesLikeDiabetes exaggeratedly feel-good]] so that the ComedicSociopathy joke at the very end would work, but viewers ended up misinterpreting the whole thing as genuinely heartwarming instead.

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* MisaimedFandom: A cast interview reveals that "ESP Kitty" was supposed to be [[TastesLikeDiabetes exaggeratedly feel-good]] feel-good so that the ComedicSociopathy joke at the very end would work, but viewers ended up misinterpreting the whole thing as genuinely heartwarming instead.
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*** “Osomatsu and Todomatsu” took that Woobiness UpToEleven. First, [[spoiler:Osomatsu ruins their chances with a couple of women by blurting out highly inappropriate and uncomfortable remarks, then Todomatsu humiliates himself trying to cover for Osomatsu’s mistakes. Then, he gets completely overshadowed by Osomatsu despite the latter being completely crude and crass, and he goes home by himself (without the girls or even ''his own brother'' noticing) utterly broken.]] Even fans who usually don’t like Totty admitted to feeling bad for him after this.

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*** “Osomatsu and Todomatsu” took that Woobiness UpToEleven.up to eleven. First, [[spoiler:Osomatsu ruins their chances with a couple of women by blurting out highly inappropriate and uncomfortable remarks, then Todomatsu humiliates himself trying to cover for Osomatsu’s mistakes. Then, he gets completely overshadowed by Osomatsu despite the latter being completely crude and crass, and he goes home by himself (without the girls or even ''his own brother'' noticing) utterly broken.]] Even fans who usually don’t like Totty admitted to feeling bad for him after this.



** While he doesn't quite get it to the extent Todomatsu does, Osomatsu sometimes falls under this (his actions in "Letter" certainly didn't help matters). In some fan works, he's portrayed as the villain, his flaws [[UpToEleven blown out of proportion]] to make him seem more cruel than he actually is in the show. Often times, the blame for his brothers' dysfunction is placed ''entirely'' on him, without taking the others' faults and shortcomings into account.

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** While he doesn't quite get it to the extent Todomatsu does, Osomatsu sometimes falls under this (his actions in "Letter" certainly didn't help matters). In some fan works, he's portrayed as the villain, his flaws [[UpToEleven blown out of proportion]] proportion to make him seem more cruel than he actually is in the show. Often times, the blame for his brothers' dysfunction is placed ''entirely'' on him, without taking the others' faults and shortcomings into account.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: A common complaint with the second season is that humor grew considerably more mean-spirited and crass compared to the first. [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-04-09/manga-creator-reiji-yamada-explains-why-mr-osomatsu-2nd-season-bombed-in-japan/.130012 Reiji Yamada]] speculated that the change of tone was intentional in order to [[PeripheryDemographic push away the Fujoshi fanbase]] that the show had built up, and that this unintentionally contributed to SeasonalRot instead.


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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: A common complaint with the second season is that humor grew considerably more mean-spirited and crass compared to the first. [[https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-04-09/manga-creator-reiji-yamada-explains-why-mr-osomatsu-2nd-season-bombed-in-japan/.130012 Reiji Yamada]] speculated that the change of tone was intentional in order to [[PeripheryDemographic push away the Fujoshi fanbase]] that the show had built up, and that this unintentionally contributed to SeasonalRot instead.
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** The popularity of the [[LesYay Totoko/Nyaa-chan]] ship has ''skyrocketed'', mostly due to all the skits featuring them in Season 2, where their FoeYay can easily be interpreted as BelligerentSexualTension.

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** The popularity of the [[LesYay Totoko/Nyaa-chan]] ship has ''skyrocketed'', mostly due to all the skits featuring them in Season 2, where their FoeYay tension can easily be interpreted as BelligerentSexualTension.



** The TitleCharacter possibly got them all beat. He gets paired up with his brothers, [[FoeYay Iyami, Chibita, Tougou (from the '-kun' verse)]], Atsushi, Totoko, and to a lesser extent, Nyaa. [[spoiler:Ironically, the canon actually spent an episode to explore the last one [[ShipSinking only to tear it down]] [[AntiClimax in a matter of 30 seconds]]]].

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** The TitleCharacter possibly got them all beat. He gets paired up with his brothers, [[FoeYay [[FoeYayShipping Iyami, Chibita, Tougou (from the '-kun' verse)]], Atsushi, Totoko, and to a lesser extent, Nyaa. [[spoiler:Ironically, the canon actually spent an episode to explore the last one [[ShipSinking only to tear it down]] [[AntiClimax in a matter of 30 seconds]]]].
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* FanNickname:
** "Matsus" for the sextuplets as a whole. On the same vein, most fans will call each brother by their "prefix" (Osomatsu is "Oso", Karamatsu is "Kara", and so it goes), though this is more for the sake of objectivity than actual nicknames. They're also called "[[Franchise/TheMuppets Muppets]]" thanks to their wide mouths.
** "[[VisualNovel/UtaNoPrinceSama MATSURISH]]"[[note]]written as 松☆RISH[[/note]] for the cast's [[BoyBand F6]] look during episode 1. The song they sing during this is similarly nicknamed "MATSU 1000%".
** "Glorious Shift Leader" for Ichimatsu during his brief managing stint at Black Factory.
** "14matsu"[[note]][[GoroawaseNumber Jyuu-shi = 14]][[/note]] or "[[GratuitousEnglish Ten]][[{{Pun}} shi]]" for Jyushimatsu. He's also sometimes called "Numbersmatsu", "Juicymatsu" or just plain "Juicy"/"Juice" in the English-speaking fandom.
** The fandom also tends to call the sextuplets by a "Matsu" version of their voice actors' names (Choromatsu becomes Kamiyamatsu, Jyuushimatsu becomes Onomatsu, etc.).
** Minor female characters associated with a particular Matsuno will be usually referred to as "[X]matsu Girls" (i.e. The two girls Karamatsu thought were checking him out, the girls on Todomatsu's date, Nyaa-chan, etc.)
** "AV-chan"[[note]]Osomatsu [[AmbiguousSituation may or may not have found out]] that the character had a career in porn prior to meeting Jyuushimatsu[[/note]] for the girl Jyuushimatsu spends time with during "Jyuushimatsu Falls in Love". In Japan, she's just referred to as "Jyushimatsu's Girlfriend", or simply "Kanojo-chan". She is also given the name "[[{{Pun}} Homura]]" thanks to Jyushimatsu's "King-sized game winning '''home run'''" gag.
** The couple that appears in the "Black Santa" short are often nicknamed "Couple-chan", "The Christmas Couple", or "Boyfriend-kun and Girlfriend-chan" by fans in the English-speaking fandom.
** "Akamatsu" or "Defaultmatsu" for Osomatsu.
** "Hivemind Mode" for moments when the sextuplets start creepily working in sync.
** "Chadmatsu" for the "proper" Osomatsu seen in "''Osomatsu-san'' Returns!"
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Quintuplets was first published in 2017, not 2016.


** The fact that their first idea was a HotterAndSexier HighSchoolAU (with some romcom thrown in for good measure) comes down as this thanks to the 2016 debut of the high school romcom ''Manga/TheQuintessentialQuintuplets'', a series about lazy ''quin''tuplet girls getting help studying from their beleaguered neighbor. The male lead having a somewhat Matsu-like hairstyle doesn't help. It also coincidentally resembles a common fanon concept where [[http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2232633 five of the brothers are cute girls]], while one (usually Choromatsu or Osomatsu) is male and has to put up with his sisters' screwball antics.

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** The fact that their first idea was a HotterAndSexier HighSchoolAU (with some romcom thrown in for good measure) comes down as this thanks to the 2016 2017 debut of the high school romcom ''Manga/TheQuintessentialQuintuplets'', a series manga and anime about lazy ''quin''tuplet girls getting help studying from their beleaguered neighbor. The male lead having a somewhat Matsu-like hairstyle doesn't help. It also coincidentally resembles a common fanon concept where [[http://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2232633 five of the brothers are cute girls]], while one (usually Choromatsu or Osomatsu) is male and has to put up with his sisters' screwball antics.

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