YMMV / Escape the Fate

• Base-Breaking Character: Craig. Worthy replacement for Ronnie who's helped the band's sound mature, or a whiny emo that made the band become sellouts?
• Broken Base: And how. Over whether you prefer Ronnie or Craig's respective vocal styles, lyrics, etc.
• Common Knowledge: Ronnie wasn't fired because he went to jail. He actually was fired some time before that, and was in the crowd heckling Craig's first show in March 2008.
• Fandom Rivalry: With Falling in Reverse.
• Harsher in Hindsight: "The Day I Left the Womb" now that Ronnie's brother died in a bike crash.
• The Pete Best: Hardcore fans will remember Omar Espinosa, who left near the end of the first album cycle. Even less people will remember Carson Allen, who left after the infamous gang brawl that would eventually lead to Ronnie being jailed. Technically he also shows up on the EP and first album, but he's uncredited as he was long gone by that point.
• Signature Song: The Ronnie era has "Situations", "My Apocalypse", and "Not Good Enough for Truth in Cliché". Craig era has "Something", "Issues", "The Flood", and "This War Is Ours".
• Song Association: "Reverse This Curse" showed up in Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam.
• Tear Jerker: "The Day I Left the Womb". Ronnie seems to be struggling not to cry in this song.
• They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: What the various factions of fans inevitably cry with the drop of every new album. Goes hand-in-hand with this band's Broken Base.
  • Additionally, This War Is Ours was named "The Most Disappointing Album Of 2008" by one rock magazine. Ronnie had that page up on his prison cell wall for a while.
  • Every single album cycle will include at least one metalcore single, one post-hardcore single and one designed for pop radio. This is an attempt by the band to get a crossover fanbase from different scenes interested in their (and other similar bands') music. It's not exactly uncommon in the hardcore scene. Despite this, EVERY TIME the pop single comes out, some fans will assume the band went soft.

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