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* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Creator/GuillermoDelToro was going to adapt this story into a movie, but Creator/UniversalStudios discarded the idea because they believed it was too similar to ''Film/{{Prometheus}}''. Senor del Toro, for his part, hasn't given up with his attempt, but nothing has come of it as of this writing.
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** The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless, possibly non-sentient mass of black goo trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.
** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies, but by way of summary, by the time ''At the Mountains of Madness'' was published in 1936, Lovecraft was describing himself as a New Deal Democrat. However, he wrote it in 1931, one of the worst years of the Depression (so, as his political shift was taking root, but before Roosevelt had been elected), and does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years. As a result, his stance here is somewhat challenging to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both (narrator Dr William Dyer, for what it's worth, sympathises with the Elder Things, but it's not clear whether Dyer is speaking for Lovecraft); and there is also no telling whether Lovecraft's sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well. (It should also be noted that while Dyer concludes the Shoggoths are more of a threat to humanity, the Elder Things are far from harmless, and it's ambiguous as to whether [[spoiler:Dyer's conclusion that they slaughtered the explorers and dogs out of self-defence or scientific curiosity]] is accurate.)
** The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless, possibly non-sentient mass of black goo trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.
** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies, but by way of summary, by the time ''At the Mountains of Madness'' was published in 1936, Lovecraft was describing himself as a New Deal Democrat. However, he wrote it in 1931, one of the worst years of the Depression (so, as his political shift was taking root, but before Roosevelt had been elected), and does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years. As a result, his stance here is somewhat challenging to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both (narrator Dr William Dyer, for what it's worth, sympathises with the Elder Things, but it's not clear whether Dyer is speaking for Lovecraft); and there is also no telling whether Lovecraft's sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well. (It should also be noted that while Dyer concludes the Shoggoths are more of a threat to humanity, the Elder Things are far from harmless, and it's ambiguous as to whether [[spoiler:Dyer's conclusion that they slaughtered the explorers and dogs out of self-defence or scientific curiosity]] is accurate.)
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**ValuesDissonance: The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless, possibly non-sentient mass of black goo trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.
** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies, but by way of summary, by the time ''At the Mountains of Madness'' was published in 1936, Lovecraft was describing himself as a New Deal Democrat. However, he wrote it in 1931, one of the worst years of the Depression (so, as his political shift was taking root, but before Roosevelt had been elected), and does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years. As a result, his stance here is somewhat challenging to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both (narrator Dr William Dyer, for what it's worth, sympathises with the Elder Things, but it's not clear whether Dyer is speaking for Lovecraft); and there is also no telling whether Lovecraft's sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well. (It should also be noted that while Dyer concludes the Shoggoths are more of a threat to humanity, the Elder Things are far from harmless, and it's ambiguous as to whether [[spoiler:Dyer's conclusion that they slaughtered the explorers and dogs out of self-defence or scientific curiosity]] is accurate.)RobotWar.
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** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies, but by way of summary, by the time ''At the Mountains of Madness'' was published in 1936, Lovecraft was describing himself as a New Deal Democrat. However, he wrote it in 1931, one of the worst years of the Depression (so, as his political shift was taking root, but before Roosevelt had been elected), and does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years. As a result, his stance here is somewhat challenging to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both (narrator Dr William Dyer, for what it's worth, sympathises with the Elder Things, but it's not clear whether Dyer is speaking for Lovecraft); and there is also no telling whether Lovecraft's sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well. (It should also be noted that while Dyer concludes the Shoggoths are more of a threat to humanity, the Elder Things are far from harmless, and it's ambiguous as to whether [[spoiler:Dyer's conclusion that they slaughtered the explorers and dogs out of self-defence or scientific curiosity]] is accurate.)
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* NightmareRetardant: Giant albino penguins, which can seem rather ridiculous to some. They are however described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[https://www.rsb.org.uk/images/blog/penguin-1.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader. It's treated as such by the narrator, as while they are exploring the caves and at first see them only as vague tall white shapes, and for a moment are quite frightened. They are then revealed to be the penguins, a reveal which the narrator describes as "a flash of anti-climax." He notes they're still pretty unnerving, describing them as "monstrous".
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* NightmareRetardant: Giant albino penguins, which can seem rather ridiculous to some. They are however described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[https://www.rsb.org.uk/images/blog/penguin-1.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader. It's treated as such by the narrator, as while they are exploring the caves and at first see them only as vague tall white shapes, and for a moment are quite frightened. They are then revealed to be the penguins, a reveal which the narrator describes as "a flash of anti-climax." He notes they're still pretty unnerving, describing them as "monstrous"."monstrous" (though then again, the narrator calls ''all'' penguins monstrous).
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anything is scary from that angle. my original point when i wrote that sentence was to say that the albino penguins are quite different from the usual picture of penguins most folks have in mind, which is the picture i have put in the image link with this edit.
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* NightmareRetardant: Giant albino penguins. They are described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bf/c3/37/bfc33799d434472b54e6cdd1ad881408.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader. It's treated as such by the narrator, as while they are exploring the caves and at first see them only as vague tall white shapes, and for a moment are quite frightened. They are then revealed to be the penguins, a reveal which the narrator describes as "a flash of anti-climax." He notes they're still pretty unnerving, describing them as "monstrous".
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* NightmareRetardant: Giant albino penguins. penguins, which can seem rather ridiculous to some. They are however described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bf/c3/37/bfc33799d434472b54e6cdd1ad881408.[[https://www.rsb.org.uk/images/blog/penguin-1.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader. It's treated as such by the narrator, as while they are exploring the caves and at first see them only as vague tall white shapes, and for a moment are quite frightened. They are then revealed to be the penguins, a reveal which the narrator describes as "a flash of anti-climax." He notes they're still pretty unnerving, describing them as "monstrous".
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* NightmareRetardant: Giant albino penguins. They are described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bf/c3/37/bfc33799d434472b54e6cdd1ad881408.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader.
** It's treated as such by the narrator, as while they are exploring the caves and at first see them only as vague tall white shapes, and for a moment are quite frightened. They are then revealed to be the penguins, a reveal which the narrator describes as "a flash of anti-climax." He notes they're still pretty unnerving, describing them as "monstrous".
** It's treated as such by the narrator, as while they are exploring the caves and at first see them only as vague tall white shapes, and for a moment are quite frightened. They are then revealed to be the penguins, a reveal which the narrator describes as "a flash of anti-climax." He notes they're still pretty unnerving, describing them as "monstrous".
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* NightmareRetardant: Giant albino penguins. They are described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bf/c3/37/bfc33799d434472b54e6cdd1ad881408.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader.
**reader. It's treated as such by the narrator, as while they are exploring the caves and at first see them only as vague tall white shapes, and for a moment are quite frightened. They are then revealed to be the penguins, a reveal which the narrator describes as "a flash of anti-climax." He notes they're still pretty unnerving, describing them as "monstrous".
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* ValuesDissonance: The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless, possibly non-sentient mass of black goo trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.
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** The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless, possibly non-sentient mass of black goo trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.
** The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless, possibly non-sentient mass of black goo trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.
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** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies, but by way of summary, by the time ''At the Mountains of Madness'' was published in 1936, Lovecraft was describing himself as a New Deal Democrat. However, he wrote it in 1931, one of the worst years of the Depression (so, as his political shift was taking root, but before Roosevelt had been elected), and does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years. As a result, his stance here is somewhat challenging to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both (narrator Dr William Dyer, for what it's worth, sympathises with the Elder Things, but it's not clear whether Dyer is speaking for Lovecraft); and there is also no telling whether Lovecraft's sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well.
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** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies, but by way of summary, by the time ''At the Mountains of Madness'' was published in 1936, Lovecraft was describing himself as a New Deal Democrat. However, he wrote it in 1931, one of the worst years of the Depression (so, as his political shift was taking root, but before Roosevelt had been elected), and does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years. As a result, his stance here is somewhat challenging to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both (narrator Dr William Dyer, for what it's worth, sympathises with the Elder Things, but it's not clear whether Dyer is speaking for Lovecraft); and there is also no telling whether Lovecraft's sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well. (It should also be noted that while Dyer concludes the Shoggoths are more of a threat to humanity, the Elder Things are far from harmless, and it's ambiguous as to whether [[spoiler:Dyer's conclusion that they slaughtered the explorers and dogs out of self-defence or scientific curiosity]] is accurate.)
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** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies. This story was published in 1936, but Lovecraft wrote it in 1931, one of the worst years of the Depression (so, as his political shift was fully underway). As a result, his stance here is somewhat challenging to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both (narrator Dr William Dyer, for what it's worth, sympathises with the Elder Things, but it's not clear whether Dyer is speaking for Lovecraft); and there is no telling whether Lovecraft's sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. (He does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years.) DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well.
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** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies. This story biographies, but by way of summary, by the time ''At the Mountains of Madness'' was published in 1936, but Lovecraft was describing himself as a New Deal Democrat. However, he wrote it in 1931, one of the worst years of the Depression (so, as his political shift was fully underway). taking root, but before Roosevelt had been elected), and does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years. As a result, his stance here is somewhat challenging to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both (narrator Dr William Dyer, for what it's worth, sympathises with the Elder Things, but it's not clear whether Dyer is speaking for Lovecraft); and there is also no telling whether Lovecraft's sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. (He does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years.) DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well.
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** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies. This story was published in 1936, but Lovecraft wrote it in 1931, during the middle of his political shift. As a result, his stance here is somewhat difficult to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both; and there is no telling whether his sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. (He does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years.) DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well.
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** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies. This story was published in 1936, but Lovecraft wrote it in 1931, during one of the middle worst years of the Depression (so, as his political shift. shift was fully underway). As a result, his stance here is somewhat difficult challenging to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both; both (narrator Dr William Dyer, for what it's worth, sympathises with the Elder Things, but it's not clear whether Dyer is speaking for Lovecraft); and there is no telling whether his Lovecraft's sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. (He does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years.) DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well.
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** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies. This story was published in 1936, but Lovecraft wrote it in 1931, during the middle of his political shift. As a result, his stance in this story is somewhat difficult to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both; and there is no telling whether his sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. (He does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years.) DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well.
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** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time (and remained so even as he aged), but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression. [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies. This story was published in 1936, but Lovecraft wrote it in 1931, during the middle of his political shift. As a result, his stance in this story here is somewhat difficult to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both; and there is no telling whether his sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. (He does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years.) DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well.
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** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time, but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression (without fully shedding his racism). [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies. This story was published in 1936, but Lovecraft wrote it in 1931, during the middle of his political shift. As a result, his stance is somewhat difficult to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both; and there is no telling whether his sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. (He does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years.) DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well.
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** A possible case of AlternateAesopInterpretation on this one, as Lovecraft was quite racist even for his time, but by the mid-1930s was also becoming quite sympathetic to liberal and even leftist political causes, as many writers were as a result of TheGreatDepression (without fully shedding his racism). [[https://grimreviews.blogspot.com/2008/10/political-transition-of-howard-philips.html This blog post]] summarises the shift in his political views, which are detailed in much greater depth in S. T. Joshi's biographies. This story was published in 1936, but Lovecraft wrote it in 1931, during the middle of his political shift. As a result, his stance is somewhat difficult to pin down: he may have sympathised more with one or the other faction, or with neither, or in different ways with both; and there is no telling whether his sympathies evolved between the time he initially wrote it and the time it was published. (He does not seem to have revised it in the intervening years.) DeathOfTheAuthor and {{Applicability}} may apply here as well.
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** It's treated as such by the narrator, as while they are exploring the caves and at first see them only as vague tall white shapes, and for a moment are quite frightened. They are then revealed to be the penguins, a reveal which the narrator describes as "a flash of anti-climax." He notes they're still pretty unnerving, describing them as "monstrous".
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* ScienceMarchesOn: Subverted; the history of the Elder Things confirms the theory of continental drift, which was controversial at the time this was written.
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* NightmareRetardant: Giant albino penguins. They are described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[http://www.oceanadventures.co.uk/images/Adelie-Penguin--Q.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader.
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* NightmareRetardant: Giant albino penguins. They are described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[http://www.oceanadventures.co.uk/images/Adelie-Penguin--Q.[[https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/bf/c3/37/bfc33799d434472b54e6cdd1ad881408.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader.
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* ItGetsBetter: Fifty pages of description of how their scientific expedition was ''meant'' to go. How it ''actually'' went starts around page sixty.
* NightmareRetardant: Giant albino penguins!
** YMMV on exactly the grade of NightmareRetardant. They are described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[http://www.oceanadventures.co.uk/images/Adelie-Penguin--Q.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader.
*** So, [[http://i.imgur.com/zKMXE.jpg this]] is an albino penguin. If it was 6 feet tall and eyeless... yup. [[EverythingsBetterWithPenguins Still cute]].
*** Unless you interpret them as looking like [[http://verreaux.deviantart.com/art/Albino-Penguin-195983718 this]] or [[http://yog-blogsoth.blogspot.com/2012/01/mutant-penguin.html this]]. Ew.
* NightmareRetardant: Giant albino penguins!
** YMMV on exactly the grade of NightmareRetardant. They are described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[http://www.oceanadventures.co.uk/images/Adelie-Penguin--Q.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader.
*** So, [[http://i.imgur.com/zKMXE.jpg this]] is an albino penguin. If it was 6 feet tall and eyeless... yup. [[EverythingsBetterWithPenguins Still cute]].
*** Unless you interpret them as looking like [[http://verreaux.deviantart.com/art/Albino-Penguin-195983718 this]] or [[http://yog-blogsoth.blogspot.com/2012/01/mutant-penguin.html this]]. Ew.
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** YMMV on exactly the grade of NightmareRetardant.
*** Unless you interpret them as looking like [[http://verreaux.deviantart.com/art/Albino-Penguin-195983718 this]] or [[http://yog-blogsoth.blogspot.com/2012/01/mutant-penguin.html this]]. Ew.
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** Except the Shoggoths were never supposed to be sentient, they just sort of mutated and ended up with it. Imagine tomorrow if our construction machinery became sentient and decided to try and kill us because they were sick of working for us. They weren't slaves, they were tools that randomly grew a brain and decided they didn't want to be tools, not to mention there's no real insight into exactly what kind of sentience the Shoggoths had.
*** You mean this story is aliens discovering the aftermath of MaximumOverdrive?!?
*** You mean this story is aliens discovering the aftermath of MaximumOverdrive?!?
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**** Unless you interpret them as looking like [[http://verreaux.deviantart.com/art/Albino-Penguin-195983718 this]]. Ew.
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**** Unless you interpret them as looking like [[http://verreaux.deviantart.com/art/Albino-Penguin-195983718 this]] or [[http://yog-blogsoth.blogspot.com/2012/01/mutant-penguin.html this]]. Ew.
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** Except the Shoggoths were never supposed to be sentient, they just sort of mutated and ended up with it. Imagine tomorrow if our construction machinery became sentient and decided to try and kill us because they were sick of working for us. They werent slaves, they were tools that randomly grew a brain and decided they didnt want to be tools, not to mention there's no real insight into exactly what kind of sentience the Shoggoths had.
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** Except the Shoggoths were never supposed to be sentient, they just sort of mutated and ended up with it. Imagine tomorrow if our construction machinery became sentient and decided to try and kill us because they were sick of working for us. They werent weren't slaves, they were tools that randomly grew a brain and decided they didnt didn't want to be tools, not to mention there's no real insight into exactly what kind of sentience the Shoggoths had.had.
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* ValuesDissonance: The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless, possibly non-sentient mass of black goo trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.
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* ValuesDissonance: The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless, possibly non-sentient mass of black goo trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.RobotWar.
** Except the Shoggoths were never supposed to be sentient, they just sort of mutated and ended up with it. Imagine tomorrow if our construction machinery became sentient and decided to try and kill us because they were sick of working for us. They werent slaves, they were tools that randomly grew a brain and decided they didnt want to be tools, not to mention there's no real insight into exactly what kind of sentience the Shoggoths had.
** Except the Shoggoths were never supposed to be sentient, they just sort of mutated and ended up with it. Imagine tomorrow if our construction machinery became sentient and decided to try and kill us because they were sick of working for us. They werent slaves, they were tools that randomly grew a brain and decided they didnt want to be tools, not to mention there's no real insight into exactly what kind of sentience the Shoggoths had.
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* ItGetsBetter: Fifty pages of description of how their scientific expedition was meant to go. How it actually went starts around page sixty.
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* ItGetsBetter: Fifty pages of description of how their scientific expedition was meant ''meant'' to go. How it actually ''actually'' went starts around page sixty.
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*** So, [[http://i.imgur.com/zKMXE.jpg this]] is an albino penguin. If it was 6 feet tall and eyeless... yup. [[EverythingIsBetterWithPenguins Still cute]].
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*** So, [[http://i.imgur.com/zKMXE.jpg this]] is an albino penguin. If it was 6 feet tall and eyeless... yup. [[EverythingIsBetterWithPenguins [[EverythingsBetterWithPenguins Still cute]].
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**** Unless you interpret them as looking like [[http://verreaux.deviantart.com/art/Albino-Penguin-195983718 this]]. Ew.
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*** So, [[http://i.imgur.com/zKMXE.jpg this]] is an albino penguin. If it was 6 feet tall and eyeless... yup. [[EverythingIsBetterWithPenguins Still cute]].
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* ValuesDissonance: The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless mass trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.
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* ValuesDissonance: The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless formless, possibly non-sentient mass of black goo trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: Guillermo del Toro is making a movie of it? And James Cameron is producing it?! And they won't succumb to Hollywood standards!?!
** And sadly, too good to be true. The studio cancelled the film due to the Wolfman's failure at the box office a week before shooting was to commence.
** And sadly, too good to be true. The studio cancelled the film due to the Wolfman's failure at the box office a week before shooting was to commence.
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* AndTheFandomRejoiced: Guillermo del Toro is making a movie of it? And James Cameron is producing it?! And they won't succumb to Hollywood standards!?!
** And sadly, too good to be true. The studio cancelled the film due to the Wolfman's failure at the box office a week before shooting was to commence.
* ItGetsBetter: Fifty pages of description of how their scientific expedition was meant to go. How it actually went starts around page sixty.
** And sadly, too good to be true. The studio cancelled the film due to the Wolfman's failure at the box office a week before shooting was to commence.
* ItGetsBetter: Fifty pages of description of how their scientific expedition was meant to go. How it actually went starts around page sixty.
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** YMMV on exactly the grade of NightmareRetardant. They are described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[http://www.oceanadventures.co.uk/images/Adelie-Penguin--Q.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader.
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** YMMV on exactly the grade of NightmareRetardant. They are described as six feet tall and eyeless, shambling about and squawking loudly, a far cry from [[http://www.oceanadventures.co.uk/images/Adelie-Penguin--Q.jpg this]]. A bit unsettling depending on the reader.reader.
* ValuesDissonance: The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless mass trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.
* ValuesDissonance: The reader is meant to sympathize with the "upper-class" Elder Things over the "lower-class" Shoggoths, which were manufactured en masse by the Elder Things to act as their servitors. Admittedly, it's easy to do when one is rational and ill-fated and the other is a formless mass trying to rip your head off (literally), but still. It's like a biological ancestor to the RobotWar.
