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In this movie, 87 Shredder and Krang tried to find a 2003 version of Krang but failed to, which makes little sense considering there ''was'' an Utrom in this series by that name, even if he was a minor three-seconds MythologyGag character. The only possible explanation is that 2003 Krang died off-screen somehow to justify the Technodrome not being able to find a Krang in the 2003-verse. So for a 2003 version of Krang to be non-existent by the time of ''Turtles Forever'', he was KilledOffscreen without the audience getting to know about it.

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In this movie, 87 Shredder and Krang tried to find a 2003 version of Krang but failed to, which makes little sense considering there ''was'' an Utrom in this series by that name, even if he was a minor three-seconds MythologyGag character. The only possible explanation is that 2003 Krang died off-screen somehow to justify the Technodrome not being able to find a Krang in the 2003-verse. So for a 2003 version of Krang to be non-existent by the time of ''Turtles Forever'', he was KilledOffscreen without the audience getting to know about it. The fact that the Technodrome only picked up on the existence of the Utrom Shredder and not the original Tengu Shredder who was once ''the'' Oroku Saki could lend some credibility to this theory since the Demon Shredder was dead by the time of this movie.
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[[WMG: Sometime between the second season and this movie, the 2003 Utrom version of Krang who made a cameo in "Secret Origins Part 3" died by unknown means]]
In this movie, 87 Shredder and Krang tried to find a 2003 version of Krang but failed to, which makes little sense considering there ''was'' an Utrom in this series by that name, even if he was a minor three-seconds MythologyGag character. The only possible explanation is that 2003 Krang died off-screen somehow to justify the Technodrome not being able to find a Krang in the 2003-verse. So for a 2003 version of Krang to be non-existent by the time of ''Turtles Forever'', he was KilledOffscreen without the audience getting to know about it.
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[[WMG: The 1987 turtles aren't actually from ''the cartoon'']]
Instead, they're from the video games. And specifically a version of the games that is being played by little kids who weren't very good at it and may not remember the show that well.

Alternatively this could be the universe of some child's fanfiction.
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[[WMG: Rocksteady and Bebop lasered Utrom Shredder on purpose]]
In the movie when Rocksteady and Bebop are freed from their bonds, they say "we have to go help the master". It seems they mean Utrom Shredder, whom they switched allegiance to earlier, but notably they also referred to 87 Shredder as master earlier in the film as well, so it is actually a little ambiguous as to who they mean to help. Perhaps after 87 Shredder and Krang were freed, imprisoning the mutants in their places, Rocksteady and Bebop regretted their betrayal, and planned to aid 87 Shredder after they got free. Also notably, only a few minutes before, the entire world was on the verge of disappearing as Utrom Shredder crushed the mirage turtles; Rocksteady and Bebop couldn't have possibly missed everything fading out around them, and probably would have heard the conversation afterwards between Karai and Utrom Shredder, making it clear that the '03 Shredder's actions were going to lead to the destruction of the multiverse. So, maybe they plugged that laser back in knowing EXACTLY what would happen.

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[[WMG: The '87 Turtles' exaggerated personalities are a side effect of being unexpectedly shunted between dimensions.]]
The abrupt manner the Turtles were sent into the 2003 Turtles' world caused them to suffer from the interdimensional version of the bends, making them act goofier and sillier than normal for the duration of the crossover. The Technodrome likely protected '87 Shredder and Krang from suffering the same condition while being able to cross between worlds in a more controlled fashion kept the '03 Turtles from being afflicted.

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The hatred in Ch'Rell's heart formed a [[KingdomHearts Heartless]] Shredder, like how Scar's hatred formed Ghost Scar.

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The hatred in Ch'Rell's heart formed a [[KingdomHearts [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Heartless]] Shredder, like how Scar's hatred formed Ghost Scar.
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In the first couple of seasons they did have distinct personalities, take things seriously, and were less goofy, while Shredder and Krang were at least mildly threatening. But if you keep watching into seasons 3 and 4 up until before the Red Sky seasons, they approach the goofiness in ''TurtlesForever''. The ones we see in ''Turtles Forever'' must be from a hypothetical season 22 (given that the special came out in 2009), in which the series has long since JumpedTheShark and everyone's been {{Flanderized}}.

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In the first couple of seasons they did have distinct personalities, take things seriously, and were less goofy, while Shredder and Krang were at least mildly threatening. But if you keep watching into seasons 3 and 4 up until before the Red Sky seasons, they approach the goofiness in ''TurtlesForever''.''WesternAnimation/TurtlesForever''. The ones we see in ''Turtles Forever'' must be from a hypothetical season 22 (given that the special came out in 2009), in which the series has long since JumpedTheShark and everyone's been {{Flanderized}}.
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For [=WMG=] regarding the entire franchise, go [[WMG/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles here]].

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For [=WMG=] regarding See WMG/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles for the entire franchise, go [[WMG/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles here]].
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For [=WMG=] regarding the entire franchise, go [[WMG/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles here]].

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[[WMG: There will be a sequel in 2014 that will crossover TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987, TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 and WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012.]]

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[[WMG: There will be a sequel in 2014 that will crossover TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987, TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987 the 80s]], [[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 the 2003]] and WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012.[[WesternAnimation/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012 the 2012]] cartoons.]]




[[WMG: A fifth Shredder was born with the death of Ch'Rell]]

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\n** Would that be the live-action films or the 2007 CGI film?

[[WMG: A fifth Shredder was born with the death of Ch'Rell]]
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[[WMG: Shortly before the events of the movie, Krang invented a "weak ray"...]]
That weakened the strength and mental faculties of anything it hit. Due to running on '87 plot logic, the ray's effects were such that something that had already been hit wouldn't become even weaker, but instead would be raised back to their normal strength. Immediately before the movie, as the 87 Turtles, Shredder and Krang were fighting in the Technodrome, all six of them (plus possibly Bebop and Rocksteady, but definitely ''not'' including the Technodrome itself) were hit by the ray, which temporarily decreased all of their intelligences and strengths. Shredder, noting its effect on the 87 Turtles, nicknamed it the "giggle ray". At the end of the movie, after Ch'rell had been defeated in the Prime universe, the 87 Turtles, Shredder and Krang returned to their universe in the upgraded Technodrome. At first, the device's power seemed unstoppable, until Donatello was able to wire the weak ray into the Technodrome's systems and direct it at the entire Technodrome. This raised the Turtles, Shredder and Krang back to their normal levels, but the Technodrome itself was drastically weakened... ''back into the way it was before Ch'rell modified it''. This allows the movie to actually take place during the classic series.
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* Well, it ''was'' made in 2009, while the third cartoon and movie respectively came out in 2012 and 2014. Baring some serious time-travel magic, there was no way to include them.
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*** Kind of Jossed. It has already showed that the 2012 Turtles shares a multiverse with the same of the others, or at least with the 1987 one. There is still a chance that Ch'rell would make an appearance as himself and the turtles would have to team up to defeat him.
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[[WMG: The multiverse in this movie does not include the universes of the 2012 Nickelodeon show or the upcoming Michael Bay movie.]]
No clips from either are present when the Turtles see images of all of the different universes.

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* It just wouldn't be complete without Mirage, or even film Turtles showing up


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* Unless taking it to the '87 universe makes the destructive power of the new Technodrome PlayedForLaughs
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[[WMG: The '87 Shredder will accidentally destroy his universe's New York City and the '87 Turtles.]]
His Technodrome has advanced technology that the '87 Shredder doesn't know about so obviously he'll play around with it and destroy New York City and the turtles along with it.
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[[WMG: A fifth Shredder was born with the death of Ch'Rell]]

The hatred in Ch'Rell's heart formed a [[KingdomHearts Heartless]] Shredder, like how Scar's hatred formed Ghost Scar.
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[[WMG: There will be a sequel in 2014 that will crossover TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles1987, TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2003 and TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles2012]]

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[[WMG: The '87 Turtles in the film are not from the universe of the 1987 cartoon]]
They are from a universe based on an exaggerated interpretation of the 1987 show. Why else would they be acting sillier than they did before the Red Sky seasons?
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* Bit of a stretch, since the Technodrome and its portal were pretty plot-relevant. But maybe the movie's writers realized they couldn't feature the Technodrome and the '87 baddies without featuring the '87 Turtles.
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** They're synched by ''the Turtles''. After all, they're the keystones of the multiverse, right? So it makes sense the TMNT universes would be synched by the origin of the Turtles within each.
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[[WMG: The '87 Turtles and universe were a last-minute addition to the movie]]
There are certain moments where they just don't "gel" with everything else.
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[[WMG: Krang knew and expected that Bebop and Rocksteady would manage to mess up Ch'rell's plans]]
Even as the multiverse is being ''pulled apart at the seams'', he doesn't seem too worried about it. "May he find you as useful as we have" was less a snide remark at their incompetence and more Krang recognizing [[SpannerInTheWorks a pattern]] in what happens to anyone Bebop and Rocksteady ally with.
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However, the "blue sky" universe--the 1987 dimension seen in ''Turtles Forever''--still continued on separately. The last episode of the original show's eighth season (the last "blue sky" episode) establishes that the Technodrome gets sucked back into Dimension X, stranding Shredder, Krang, et al. on Earth. At some point, Shredder and Krang somehow retrieve the Technodrome and wreak havoc upon New York once again, and the Turtles intervene, thus leading to the events that get them stuck in the 2003 universe. The only forseeable problem is, Shredder and Krang return from that adventure with a [[TookALevelInBadass drastically upgraded Technodrome]], care of Ch'rell's modifications.

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However, the "blue sky" universe--the 1987 dimension seen in ''Turtles Forever''--still continued on separately. The last episode of the original show's eighth seventh season (the last "blue sky" episode) establishes that the Technodrome gets sucked back into Dimension X, stranding Shredder, Krang, et al. on Earth. At some point, Shredder and Krang somehow retrieve the Technodrome and wreak havoc upon New York once again, and the Turtles intervene, thus leading to the events that get them stuck in the 2003 universe. The only forseeable problem is, Shredder and Krang return from that adventure with a [[TookALevelInBadass drastically upgraded Technodrome]], care of Ch'rell's modifications.
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In the first couple of seasons they did have distinct personalities, take things seriously, and were less goofy, while Shredder and Krang were at least mildly threatening. But if you keep watching into seasons 3 and 4 up until before the Red Sky seasons, they approach the goofiness in ''TurtlesForever''. The ones we see in ''Turtles Forever'' must be from a hypothetical season 22 (given that the special came out in 2009).

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In the first couple of seasons they did have distinct personalities, take things seriously, and were less goofy, while Shredder and Krang were at least mildly threatening. But if you keep watching into seasons 3 and 4 up until before the Red Sky seasons, they approach the goofiness in ''TurtlesForever''. The ones we see in ''Turtles Forever'' must be from a hypothetical season 22 (given that the special came out in 2009).
2009), in which the series has long since JumpedTheShark and everyone's been {{Flanderized}}.
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In the first couple of seasons they did have distinct personalities, take things seriously, and were less goofy. But if you keep watching into seasons 3 and 4 up until before the Red Sky seasons, they approach the goofiness in ''TurtlesForever''. The ones we see in ''Turtles Forever'' must be from a hypothetical season 22 (given that the special came out in 2009).

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In the first couple of seasons they did have distinct personalities, take things seriously, and were less goofy.goofy, while Shredder and Krang were at least mildly threatening. But if you keep watching into seasons 3 and 4 up until before the Red Sky seasons, they approach the goofiness in ''TurtlesForever''. The ones we see in ''Turtles Forever'' must be from a hypothetical season 22 (given that the special came out in 2009).
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[[WMG: The 80's Turtles are the end result of a SeasonalRot that never ended in their universe.]]
In the first couple of seasons they did have distinct personalities, take things seriously, and were less goofy. But if you keep watching into seasons 3 and 4 up until before the Red Sky seasons, they approach the goofiness in ''TurtlesForever''. The ones we see in ''Turtles Forever'' must be from a hypothetical season 22 (given that the special came out in 2009).
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[[WMG:The supposed exaggerated cowardice of the 1987 Turtles is actually FridgeBrilliance.]]

Given their awareness of the fourth wall- they, on various occasions, knew they were in "episodes", and even mentioned that they were the show's title. The '87 Turtles were never afraid where ''they'' came from because they were the main characters of the show, they ''knew'' they would live. Now in ''Turtles Forever'', they were outside of their show and comfort zone- and indeed could really be killed, due to S&P changes and etc.
* Also, the exaggerated cartoonyness of the '87 world and characters. The original series was always cartoony, but the first seasons were actually fairly serious, only to [[{{Flanderization}} Flanderize]] and become sillier and sillier as they show went on (Though not to the level they were here): But even after the show stopped airing, the universe ''continued to get zanier'', til' they reached the level they were at in the movie.
** Actually, the original show had at least a few episodes that were more zany than what happened in the movie. The only real notable thing that seemed out-of-character was [[spoiler: the old toon turtles besides Don breaking down after nearly being killed by Utrom Shredder.]]
*** Refer to the first part.
**** Also, Old Toon Don was more or less Deus Ex Machina-Man.
***** He pretty much filled that role in the original cartoon though, so it kind of works out.
** It was a bit out of character for them not to take anything seriously too, at least with Leonardo and Donatello.
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No one made mention to the fact they were in the future or past. So either the 2003 one is SchizoTech or the older one just lacks technology in exchange for goofy retroness. I support the latter. It seems more in-series for the 80s one to just be so goofy that it has an 80s charm (which is pretty goofy) and lacks modern day technology.

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No one made mention to the fact they were in the future or past. So either the 2003 one is SchizoTech or the older one just lacks technology in exchange for goofy retroness. I support the latter. It seems more in-series for the 80s one to just be so goofy that it has an 80s charm (which is pretty goofy) and lacks modern day technology.
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* The Technodrome computer did make note of a "temporal anomaly", which could indicate that ''some'' form of time travel came into play. Or maybe the '87-verse and the '03-verse have their time streams synched in some kind of significant way, even though both series technically should (and ''do'') take place decades apart.

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