WMG / Octopath Traveler II

Pre-Release WMGs

The main characters from the first game will appear as older sprites and cameos in this game.

• Unfortunately Jossed.

Le Mann the explorer will appear.

Solistia will be the land he spoke of exploring.

• Also Jossed.

Vide is the game’s True Final Boss and Greater-Scope Villain

Meaning the story Temenos told is true and a MASSIVE Chekhov's Gun for the plot. How Vide connects each story together…

Ochette: Vide is connected to Night Of the Scarlet Moon (which is the cause of man and Beastling not getting along).

Agnea: Likely via the “mother is not dead” theory somehow.

Temenos: His investigation will reveal major corruption in the church via a infiltrating Vide Cult.

Hikari: The Voice is Vide.

Partitio: Roque is financially tied to a Vide cult or a crime syndicate linked to Vide.

Throne: The Blacksnakes are a crime syndicate working with a Vide cult.

Osvald: Harvey is connected to the Vide cult via evil magic.

Cassti: Eir’s Apothecaries work for Vide in some fashion and Castii was unaware. Castii’s situation being to protect her from being corrupted.

• In terms of the overall plot, this is confirmed as far as Vide being the True Final Boss goes. For their relevance in each character's story, though...
  • Ochette's: Implied but not outright stated. What is more notably stated is that the Dark Hunter was part of the Moonshade Clan worshiping Vide.
  • Agnea: The only story completely unrelated to Vide, so this part is jossed, although Tanzy, one of the characters in her route, has been tricked by Arcanette into locating the Sacred Flames and is sacrificed by Arcanette to put out one of the flames.
  • Temenos: Confirmed on corruption with the church, but for the wrong reasons. The leader of the Sacred Guard, Kaldena, attempted to use Vide's power to take revenge for the slaughter of her people, and reclaimed the Book of Night for Vide's followers. More notably, Mindt's true identity is Arcanette, one of Vide's agents.
  • Hikari: Implied in regards to Vide being the voice of Ku's curse. More notably, Kazan's true identity is Oboro, one of Vide's top agents.
  • Partitio: Seemingly unrelated, until the final chapter reveals that the scrivener Ori who Partitio met multiple times was working for Vide.
  • Throné: The progenitor of the Blacksnakes, the ageless Claude, was one of Vide's agents.
  • Osvald: Right on the nail—Harvey made a deal with Vide's minions in an attempt to attain the One True Magic.
  • Cassti: Not the entire organization, but Vide corrupted Trousseau, a member of Eir's Apothecaries, into doing his bidding, with the rest of Eir's Apothecaries sacrificing themselves to ensure Cassti survives, believing she can cure Trousseau's plague.

Osvald has, or will make, a significant connection to Ogen the Apothecary.

In the original Octopath, Ogen reveals to Alfyn that in the past, a former patient killed his wife and then he hunted down and killed the patient in revenge despite them having a family of their own. Given that Osvald is also on a quest to get revenge for a murdered wife (and child), it could be an intentional case of History Repeats.

Osvald is guilty.

Harvey didn't do it. Harvey might not even exist. Why would Osvald be arrested for murder when Harvey was right there between him and the burning house, laughing maniacally and boasting like a supervillain? Osvald has manufactured a rival in his head to deny the reality that he accidentally set fire to his own home and killed his family.

• And a "Harvey may not even be real" notion could in fact tie into Hikari's story and the question of just how real The Voice is and where it's even coming from, as well as some of the spiritual weirdness in Temenos's story. "Harvey" could well be an entity not unlike The Voice, and the trailers that seem to show "Harvey" deeper into the game are set up to help fake out audience expectations.
• And, of course, as a corollary: it's possible, with the above, that Osvald is physically guilty of the killings, but depending on the nature of "Harvey" and other things like The Voice, he may well have had absolutely no awareness of what he was doing; his later chapters, and part of his Crossed Path with Partitio, may involve coming to terms with what "guilt" means in such a context.
  • Jossed: Harvey is confirmed to be real and is the culprit... Though he didn't immediately kill Osvald's wife and daughter, instead turning his wife into a monster and brainwashing his daughter.

Possible Final Boss for each route.

• Osvald's Final Boss would be the man who murdered his family and framed him.
  • Confirmed: Harvey, the man responsible, is his route's final boss.
• The trailer shows Throne being abused by a woman dubbed as Mother. This person could be her Final Boss.
  • Alternatively, Mother could be the first boss of her story like Helgenish was to Primrose.
    • Unlikely as the fourth trailer mentions being able to choose to fight between Mother and Father first suggesting they are the middle chapters.
    • Ultimately jossed. The real final boss of her route is Claude, the progenitor of the Blacksnakes.
• Hikari is mentioned as the younger Prince of his kingdom. Depending on how his story could go, his Final Boss may end up being his older sibling.
  • Hikari and his brother may also end up dueling like Olberic and Erhardt did.
  • Chapter 1 of Hikari's story in the demo makes it crystal clear that Mugen is going to be an opponent of some sort in the final game - whether he's the proper final boss of the route or a Disc-One Final Boss covering for whatever the hell the source of The Voice is is the bigger question.
    • Confirmed: Hikari's final boss is his older brother Mugen.
• Temenos's final boss will be the Pontiff or the closest equivalent. His main driving factor as revealed thus far is doubt, which will likely lead to him dealing with corruption in the church that was largely ignored in Ophilia's story.
  • This makes sense given Temenos is an Inquisitor.
  • Jossed. The Pontiff is dead by the end of Chapter 1. Though, he is murdered by a set up and the deputy of the Sacred Guard is acting suspicious.
    • The real final boss is Kaldena, captain of the Sacred Guard.
• Tying in to one of the wilder WMGs below, Agnea may well end up fighting her mother - or whatever her mother has become. Given that her plot ties into Hikari's and is thus adjacent to entities like The Voice, it's not impossible that something may be using Cuani as a Meat Puppet.
  • Jossed. Her mother actually is dead, and her final boss is against Dolcinaea, her mother's student, and is completely unrelated to the overarching plot.
• Partitio's final boss may be Roque, his father's old business partner who, over the course of many years, planned both the rise and fall of his hometown via a shady contract.
  • Confirmed. More specifically, it's Roque in a steam train.

The Ku Clan are the descendants of the prehistoric Ku Tribe.

Osvald's Daughter is alive.

Since so far we have only seen his wife in the trailers even though both his wife and daughter supposedly died it seems likely that his daughter is alive. She probably was taken by the man who framed Osvald. She could either end up the final boss of his route, be a significant character in another route, or be involved in the main crossed paths storyline.

• Confirmed. Harvey kidnapped and brainwashed Osvald's daughter, intending to use her as a sacrifice to attain the One True Magic, but Osvald stops him just in time. She's not fought as a boss, though.

Night of the Scarlet Moon is the Hunter’s final chapter.

And it is something really messed up. Like a Hate Plague with mechanics similar to Forgotten Realm’s “Dragon Rage”.

• Confirmed to an extent. Distorted monsters that cannot be captured appear, and the final boss is the corrupted form of whatever animal companion Ochette did not choose.

Cross Paths will lead to the final dungeon/boss

.Pretty self explanatory. The Cross Paths side stories will be need to be completed to unlock the final dungeon/boss. It could be only a select few to all of them that are necessary.

• Confirmed. All of the Crossed Paths stories must be beaten to unlock the final chapter.

The Traveler's will meet on a boat

Basically each of the traveler's first chapter's will end on them on a boat. When the first character you choose ends up on the boat you can talk to any of them and learn how there first chapter's went. Since we know that you need a boat to travel and some of their starting area's seem remote it likely some of them will have to enter a boat at some point.

• Fully jossed with the demo out—the Travelers are in set places for recruitment like in the first game. The difference is that their circumstances of recruitment differ. For example, Partitio does the classic "hanging out in his starting town with a green textbox" thing, albeit he now has reactive dialogue that changes depending on who your lead character is and has different justifications for telling you what he's all about as a result, while you find Hikari in a Hinoeuman border town far from his actual "origin area", facing down a small squad of soldiers that you assist him with. He's impressed enough with you that he offers to come with you, and shares his tale as a result.

Similar to the "Osvald's daughter" theory, Agnea's mother is alive.

In both English and Japanese, the game is extremely careful to avoid saying that Cuani has died; Agnea specifically says that "[Cuani] didn't realize how sick she was until it was too late" and that she "went on a final journey that we couldn't follow". While the metaphor is extremely obvious, that's meant to be the entire narrative trick—the game does everything to make you think she is dead, but we do not see her actually die in Agnea's flashbacks and she notably does not seem to have any kind of grave site or memorial in the village (which, given how famous and beloved she evidently was, seems curious). Agnea does think she's dead, and is using the metaphors as intended, but a very perceptive player is meant to pick up on the notion that Cuani may not be dead, particularly with that oddly-framed initial cutscene where it's unclear if that's Cuani or Agnea on stage and when that scene is taking place (which, if you look at the cutscene listing with the map in-game, is in a city that isn't one of the starting towns).

If she is alive, it seems likely she is somehow tied up in the wider, sinister goings-on that seem to tie the plot together more tightly than OT1 was—she'd have particular potential hooks into Castti's "Eir's Apothecaries disease" plot, or is tied up some way with the Hinoeuma plot and Mugen's machinations, especially since Hikari and Agnea are confirmed to be a "cross path" pair.

• Jossed: She really is gone.

"The Voice" in Hikari's story will turn out to be named Yami

Hikari is Japanese for Light, so it would make sense that the being that's the cause of the Curse to be named after the Japanese word for Darkness.

• Jossed: The bloodline of Ku is tainted due to D'Arquest being a distant ancestor, Vide's influence has a grip on Hikari as it did Mugen hence why Mugen could hear the darkside of Hikari when it manifested in front of him.

Post-Release WMGs

Vide the Wicked is a remnant of Odio, the Lord of Dark.

Mikk and Makk are NOT the same duo that appear in the first game.

Also, if we ever get an Octopath Traveler III, there will be yet another bandit duo with those names, making them the Biggs and Wedge of this franchise.

• Seems to be confirmed, as this game is likely set in an Alternate Universe to the previous one.

If the 8 gods who sacrificed themselves survived, you would have fought them in the first game to get their jobs as well

Does not make much sense narrative wise for only 4 of the 12 gods to be fought even if their jobs are very good. Then you realize that the ones you do fight are only mentioned in the first game. For whatever reason, they remained behind while the other 8 went to fight Vide the Wicked.

Cubaryi was a Moonshade Order member all along.

Right before her boss fight, she states that Temenos and Crick have a perverse sense of justice that leads them to defy the gods. While this initially seems to be her speaking facetiously or being Egocentrically Religious, it would also make sense if her gods are Vide and Arcanette, the latter of whom is worshipped as a goddess by Tanzy. Considering her similarly sadistic nature to Arcanette, it's possible Cubaryi only acted as Kaldena's right-hand both to manipulate her on Arcanette's behalf and to enjoy her suffering.

Character guesses for Octopath Traveler III

Naturally we will get a brand new cast. However, based on the Recurring Element of the franchise (not counting Champions of the Continent), we will get:

• A male Hunter. All Hunters so far have been female (H'aanit and Ochette)
• A male Dancer. All Dancers so far have been female (Primrose and Agnea)
• A female Warrior. All Warriors so far have been male (Olberic and Hikari)
• A female Scholar. All Scholars so far have been male (Cyrus and Osvald)
• A male character who represents the first 'O' in Octopath (becoming the first to be put on cursor on starting the game). It was previously all-female (Ophilia, Ochette). In turn, the second 'O' in Octopath is represented by a female, which is previously all-male (Olberic, Osvald)
• A male character who represents the first 'T' in Octopath. It was previously all-female (Tressa, Throne). In turn, the second 'T' in Octopath is represented by a female, which is previously all-male (Therion, Temenos).