WMG / Mockingjay

With the unfortunate critical existence failure of Philip Seymour Hoffman (Plutarch Heavensbee), Seneca Crane could make a reappearance in Mockingjay Part 2.

Does it make sense canonically? Admittedly, no. But given the unfortunate demise of Hoffman and the need for Heavensbee's role in the rebellion, someone needs to fill in...and given that his role was tied into breaking down Capitol defenses and utilizing his Gamemaker knowledge, why not Seneca? We can't TECHNICALLY prove that he's dead - Snow lies almost constantly as a manipulative ploy, and we never actually saw him hung (in the books) or eating the berries (in the film). For all we know, the beard escaped and is secretly hiding out in the wilderness somewhere, or even made it to District 13 himself, and can step up to fill Heavensbee's shoes.

• Might not happen due to Word of God saying they got 90% of what they need from Hoffman and the other 10% they'll squeeze out in post via greenscreens and other visual effects. Awesome idea though.
  • Jossed; Flip-Flop of God has resulted in the VFX confirmed to not be happening. Whether or not Seneca will be Spared by the Adaptation as a result remains to be seen.

Part of the story is Katniss's Dying Dream.

She certainly has enough opportunities to be killed, and once she gets stung by the tracker jackers, which are known to cause hallucinations.

The author will introduce a Third-Option Love Interest and have Katniss and Finnick end up together

...What? It does make some kind of sense. Collins may do this because she might be fed up with the whole 'Team Peeta' or 'Team Gale' stuff hat she may end up doing a Last Girl Wins.

• Jossed. Finnick marries Annie and dies, while Katniss has Babies Ever After with Peeta.

Haymitch is not going to survive Mockingjay

He's going to die. Collins always kills off mentors of the main characters. And I'm gonna bet that at least one of Gale's sibs is going to expire before the end of the book. Who else is going down?

• Jossed.

The ending of Mockingjay was a result of Executive Meddling.

• Collins intended a different ending, one in which Katniss ends up with neither Peeta or Gale, but her editor said no.
  • Pandering to the Base being an understatement: Judging by the whining that exists with the present ending, if Collins had done anything less, it'd be hissy fits heard around the globe.
  • If it turns out to be true I might forgive the author, the ending seemed abrupt and out of zone with the rest of the story.
  • According to Word of God it's the triangle that's a result of Executive Meddling. Gale was originally Katniss' cousin and not a love interest but the editors insisted on a triangle. Katniss and Peeta were endgame all along.
  • I'd like to see a source for the above claim.

Tying in with the above WMG, Katniss' son isn't Peeta's.

He's Gale's. Sure, he has blond hair (assumed to be from Peeta) and gray eyes (assumed to be from Katniss) but then again, Katniss does have blond genes in her (her mother and sister are both blond).

• Jossed. Her son has curly hair, like Peeta: the curly haired allele is considered to be genetically dominant, and therefore if Gale was his father, Gale would have to have curly hair too since Katniss does not. As both Gale and Katniss have straight hair, the allele could only have come from Peeta. This logic may also be applied to the daughter: she has blue eyes, which are dominant over Katniss and Gale's grey eyes, meaning that Peeta is the father of both of Katniss' children.

Katniss's children

are twins

• The boy just has a muscular problem in his legs that caused them not to grow normally while the rest of him does.
  • And they were implanted by IVF so had two separate pregnancies?
    • No, there's this thing where twins are born but not from the same egg cell. It's called fraternal twins. Think Phil and Lil from Rugrats.
    • Fraternal twins are still conceived at the same time and carried at the same time. Katniss specifically mentions having two separate pregnancies.

Finnick will be Sparedbythe Adaptation

• I really hope this happens.

The Mockingjay movies

My guess is that the cutoff between parts 1 and 2 will be sometime around the bombing of District 13. It's a very climactic event, and occurs around the middle of the book. Either that, or after Peeta gets to Distict 13, which is right after the bombing.

• The latter is correct.

Coin sent Prim out and then bombed the area specifically because Katniss set conditions to becoming the Rebellion's Mockingjay.

She's clearly displeased that Katniss can't be controlled, and that in order to get Katniss, she has to bend to Katniss's demands. Demands that do not make her happy in the slightest, because it means she's being told what to do. It means she's not the one in charge, and she hated it. Killing Prim was her revenge for Katniss putting conditions down. She also intended it for other reasons, ones that weren't as prominent but helped her to make that choice. Prim is Katniss's sister. The darling of Panem, the little girl who Katniss heroically volunteered for to save. Killing her would turn many people against Snow if they hadn't yet. It was also intended to be a motivation for Katniss just as much as it was intended to punish her for being defiant. After all, she and Snow are Mirror Characters. Snow threatened to harm Prim before for Katniss being defiant. Coin, ever the liar, intended to do the same.

President Snow's granddaughter is reaped in the final Hunger Games.

In the final book, Johanna mentions that President Snow has a granddaughter, most likely of reaping age. When the victors decide to have a final Games consisting of tributes from the Capitol, it's entirely likely she could end up one of them... by coincidence or not.

• Those Games didn't take place.

Coin was a tribute from District Two.

The characters' names usually have some relation to the district they're from. Coins are made from metal, and District 2 works in masonry and metalworking. Also, This Troper thinks Coin was a tribute. Why? The only way Coin would know that the Games would be the perfect punishment for the Capitol would be to have been in them. Also, the Games harden you, and you have to not care about others in order to win. Coin definitely shows these aspects. This is also why Coin hates Katniss so much, because Coin could have been The Mockingjay or whatever she would have been and the leader of the revolution at the same time when she was younger. Also, if that had been the case, the revolution would have taken place much earlier, giving the new regime more time for state building.

• Alternatively, Coin was a parent whose child was reaped and was killed in the Games. Her revenge is directed at the prominent Capitol citizens with children, not the children themselves. You do it to my child and make me suffer, I do it to your child and make you suffer. Although how did she manage to escape District Two and make it all to Thirteen, eventually becoming its leader?
  • Given that she shows both great intelligence and large amounts of ruthlessness, I always figured that she would have figured out how to escape somehow. But your hypothesis is also very intriguing.

Coin is a communist.

I mean, think about it...

Snow LIED

This Troper does not think that District Thirteen pulled a Genghis Gambit, but the Capitol made it look like they did. From the beginning: Snow promised Katniss he would not lie to her. But given the sort of character he is, he never intended to keep that promise. But Katniss thinks he'll keep his word. So when he knows he realizes he's toast, he decides to bring Coin and her regime down with him. First, he sends out a Capitol helicopter to bomb the children and medics. Then, when Katniss talks to him, he tells her that it was the rebels impersonating the Capitol. That's right, the Capitol's impersonating the rebels impersonating the Capitol. Now that Katniss "knows" that Coin was behind the bombing, she assassinates Coin instead.

The death of Phillip Seymour Hoffman will result in Plutarch dying in someone else's place

No disrespect intended towards Hoffman nor Oliver Reed; may they rest in peace. Anyway, as the creators want Plutarch to be as authentic as possible for the finale, they'll probably pull a Gladiator and have Plutarch go to the Capitol with the children and the medics in Primrose's place, resulting in Primrose being Spared by the Adaptation and Plutarch dying instead. The Moral Event Horizon crossing for President Coin at that point will still be no less soft (as in lieu of killing Katniss's sister, she still ends up betraying a longtime ally of theirs) and will in fact hit harder since up to that point in the films she's shown to have been a more sympathetic character than in the books.

In the movie-verse (and possibly books as well) Katniss and Peeta have three children.

In the book epilogue Katniss and Peeta have a daughter old enough to go to school and a toddler son. The movie ends with Peeta playing with a little boy and Katniss cradling a baby, suggesting that they either have two sons or that the ages of their children are reversed. Unless of course the movie epilogue takes place later than the book epilogue, at a point in time where they've had a third child. Their daughter is either at school or simply off-camera while Peeta plays with their son and Katniss holds the third baby.

Katniss and Peeta's children are named after their dead loved ones.

Their daughter would be named either Primrose or Rue, and their son either Finnick or Cinna.

In The third movie the District 5 rebels didn’t die when the dam burst.

• Practically every mention of them on TV tropes refers to their attack as a Suicide Mission, but they they seemed to be setting timers on the explosives, and did bother to run afterwards, so it’s fairly possible there was a short Time Skip between them vanishing into the fog and the explosion, in which time they got clear.