WMG: inFAMOUS: Second Son
There are manufactured ConduitsInstead of the Ray Sphere simply missing some conduits, it'll turn out there's manufactured ones unaffected by it. Who and why will be a major part of the story, the obvious answer being the DUP whoa re now trying to cover their traps. Exactly how they managed to turn non-conduits into Conduits will be part of the mystery. The First Sons trafficking future tech might be involved.
- Confirmed, even early on it's clear that DUP soldiers are using Augustine's power and the audio logs confirms they were granted it by her somehow. The part about only manufactured conduits is Jossed though, as it's made clear by the age of characters and the fairly small time-skip that there were conduits the RFI missed.
Delsin's element is conduitism itselfAs conduits all have a specific element for their power - electricity, glass, wire etc - either natural or man-made, it seems very strange that Delsin only has one ability with no associated thing. So Delsin's element is the power or gene or condition itself. Absorbing those powers is just the same as absorbing the elements that fuel them. Logically, it follows that he could also give powers should he choose to.
Delsin's element is the mind/body itselfAn alternative to the conduitism theory is that his element is either the mind or the body or even DNA, allowing him to copy the specific mechanisms that enable specific powers, and also explaining his mind reading abilities. Let's hope that he - especially an evil he - never develops his own elemental powers further.
The First Sons are the DUPThe tile is foreshadowing, and the First Sons are collecting surviving Conduits to find out why they were unaffected to try and find a way to make a new Ray Sphere.
- Jossed, the First Sons have absolutely zero direct involvement.
Infamous 3 will be about Zeke trying to revive Cole.Good Cole survived the RFI, but in a weak comatose state, thanks to having some of Kuo's powers. Zeke gets a tip on how to revive Cole, and then builds a suit to shoot lightning and stuff (he built the AMP, so he must be familiar with how Cole's powers work).
- The AMP just allows Cole to focus his powers; Zeke wasn't close to replicating Cole's techniques. And even if Zeke were to somehow recreate Cole's abilities, where is he going to get the energy for it? Even Cole needed to suck the power from other sources to recharge fairly quickly. How would Zeke create technology to drain the same level of energy, and avoid overloading durning demanding tasks that wore out a superhuman like Cole? As a final note, Zeke's homemade batteries are known to explode.
- Pseudo-Jossed. Game is about new Conduit, Delsin Rowe, fighting government agency out to get him. Zeke or Cole could still show up though.
If there's ever a third game, it'll be about Kessler and his timelineSince the good and bad karma ending for inFamous 2 are irreconcilably different, they can't really follow on Cole's story. If Sucker Punch end up doing a third game, it'll follow how Kessler got his powers, whatever challenges he had to face and possibly some time-travel dickery at some point.
If there is a third game it will star a new conduit and radiation powersThis new conduit will have a life that is in reflection of Cole's but different. He will have had his powers since childhood and has been on the run believing people will see him as a freak until in one city the 'shiola hits the fan' and he has to fight in order to protect people. Zeke will be in that city, as The Obi-Wan, and explain to the new hero about the history of conduits and the sacrifice of a saint. This inspires the new conduit to be a hero.
- Changing of the Guard confirmed. Rest is generally Jossed: Delsin has smoke powers, which he only gains at the beginning of the game
inFAMOUS 3 will have Cole as the villain and take place in a rebuilt Empire City.Taking into account that the Conduit gene was naturally occurring, it's not a stretch that it could continue coming forth even after the canon 'Good' ending of inFAMOUS 2. inFAMOUS 3 will reveal that the 'Evil' powers of a conduit are the true potential of those powers, that the Conduit Gene is, in itself, EVIL. However, the use of these abilities for good purposes augments them to the user's will. We discover that Cole, who is entombed in New Empire City, comes back to life as an empty shell controlled purely by his Conduit powers, which have a sentience of their own. The new hero will be of the new generation of Conduit users, with the ability to control earth and plants, hence giving him an edge over Cole's electrical powers.
- Takes place in Seattle. Cole could show up though.
Evil Second Son powers will include chainblades...Hello?
- Semi-jossed. His chain takes on a Laser Blade form with Neon and Video, but never anything alluding to God of War.
Delsin will be more arrogant than ColeGoing by the trailer. His hero choices will teach him humility and the Infamous side will make him worse. Unlike Cole, it also seems he's happy to gain powers from the get go.
- His evil karma definitely makes him worse, but even good karma he stays pretty smug.
Delsin is Kessler's son.Son of the leader of the First Sons = Second Son! Though honestly, Kessler was around for decades, it's entirely possible he had another relationship 18 years before inFAMOUS.
- Would that also make him Sasha's kid?
- No, Sasha and Kessler only began a relationship after John White infiltrated the First Sons. It would have to have been another woman.
- Jossed, Delsin's parents are known and dead, and Delsin himself is Native enough that it's immediately obvious.
Alternately, Delsin is Cole's brother, under a new name.I recall that Cole mentioned he had a younger brother at some point during the second game. Maybe it was an example of a Chekhov's Gun.
- Jossed: The E3 trailer shows that Delsin has a brother who is a cop. Cole only mentioned one brother.
This game will be similar to Bioshock Infinite.In the vein that it will be VERY heavy on story and will have a Deus ex Machina ending that will Mind Screw the player.
- Jossed; both Karma endings are very blunt with how they play out, the repercussions not doing much else but leaving a Sequel Hook.
Zeke and/or Cole will appear.In the good ending of inFAMOUS 2, the boat that Cole and Zeke are on is hit by lightning in the shape of a question mark. While this could easily just be Sucker Punch hinting at another game, it could also be how Cole comes back to life, with the lightning 'recharging' Cole like a dead battery. Alternately, Cole could still be dead, but Zeke could return to teach Delsin how to use his powers and how to fight the government. He was, after all, very against government control in the first inFAMOUS.
- Zeke does make a brief voice cameo during the Cole's Legacy DLC and but has no other larger role, as of now at least.
Delsin was the Beast in Kessler's original timeline, and becomes it again in the Evil endingIn the original timeline, John may not have been fused with the Ray Sphere since the events of inFAMOUS never happened. Also, considering the Beast in Kessler's timeline was out for destruction and hunted Kessler for years, it seems he wasn't the same Beast (John White) that went across the countryside activating Conduits. In Kessler's timeline, ~8 years from what would have been the Empire City Ray Sphere Event, Cole marries Trish and has two daughters, the government slides further into becoming a Police State, and the First Sons are still working on the Ray Sphere without Kessler's guidance. Delsin, a fire and smoke powered Conduit rallies against the tightening grip of the government, and in this timeline, is or becomes canonically Infamous. As his powers become stronger, he becomes closer and closer to the fire-and-brimstone Beast from Kessler's vision, and eventually grows strong enough to wipe out the government altogether, and begins hunting strong Conduits to give him a good fight. Kessler jumps back in time and sets into motion the events of the first two games. In Cole's timeline, Kessler's meddling accidentally created a second Beast, when dormant Conduit John White is merged with the exploding Ray Sphere. Delsin, the player character, would be able to be Chaotic Good or Chaotic Evil, and his last upgrade could be a Super Mode that turns him into, what would be familiar to the player as, the Beast. The final decision of the game would then be to continue on and repeat the cycle by becoming the Beast or to reject destiny.
- Jossed, The Beast is only directly mentioned once in Augustine's memories and has no involvement in the plot otherwise.
Cole survived and has taken on a Kessler-like roleIf Cole managed to survive the RFI blast at the end of inFamous 2, or otherwise was brought back to life, he realizes he can't go back to his old way of life with Trish dead, and having nothing left for him to do with the Beast gone, when the government begins to crack down on Conduits, Cole decides to follow in Kessler's footsteps, and leads his own group (the Second Sons, maybe?). In canon, Cole would have had to have taken the good ending, so Cole would be the Big Good of the game. If Delsin is played evil, Cole is the Final Boss.
You'll get lightning powers in the gameSucker Punch can't just pull away from the lightning motif that's been representing inFAMOUS for years. Maybe you'd get some sort of ability that is connected to electricity. Sucker Punch did say that the smoke powers are only the tip of the iceberg
- Delsin does have Power Copying, so there's no story reason stopping him.
- Jossed; electricity is not part of Delsin's acquired powers.
Power Copying will create additional "power sources" to absorbIf Deslin can copy powers, wouldn't it be possible that he might copy the absorption/recharge techniques for that particular power set? For example, say he obtained electrical powers like Cole... would that not allow him to absorb the car's power instead of blowing the car up to absorb the smoke like for his base powerset?
- Definitely confirmed as of the Neon trailer.
This is part of the original time line.In the first infamous game we found out that Kessler was really Cole from a future where he didn't become a villain or a hero but instead ran away from his problems and ended up having everything he loved taken away from him by The Beast. This game will lead up to these events and will ultimately lead to Delsin Rowe being a Doomed Protagonist as he'll be erased from history.
Delsin will unlock flying powers at some point in the game.Being able to turn into a cloud of smoke and fly about isn't that much of a stretch.
- Confirmed. All of his power sets have the ability to let him hover for a bit while two powers, smoke and video, let him do a sort of air dash.
Cole's Brother will appear in the gameMost likely he has similar powers to Cole.
General ideas for powers.
- Earth manipulation.
- Confirmed, but Concrete is a very specific variation of Earth.
- Water manipulation. Remember, this is Seattle. Rain's as common as air over there.
- Water and ice are denied by the creators. Stating that the former is common while the other is too rare. Coffee powers are also not allowed
Second Son refers to both Delsin and a splinter group of the First Sons lead by ZekeIn that Delsin is the younger between him and Reggie while the splinter group is a new group lead by a secondary protagonist.
There will be a Downloadable Content dealing with Werewolves.Delsin is a Contrasting Sequel Main Character after all. Like with Festival of Blood, it'll be a made up story but with him being Native American it can be portrayed as a modernization of lore passed down through the generations.
- This will turn out to actually be a story told by Betty to the reservation kids, eager to hear more about Delsin's incredible exploits.
Zeke will appear in the game.And outside of being Properly Paranoid about the government, he'll seem like a crazy homeless guy who talks to Delsin about Cole but in a way that implies he's still alive. Delsin of course would brush him off at first but in the ending monologue Delsin will say something about Zeke not being so crazy after all as he sees in the distant that blue lightning crashes down and goes off to greet(good karma) or fight(bad karma) the individual who has just arrived.
- Semi-confirmed. He makes a brief cameo in the Cole's Legacy DLC, but that's the extent of his involvement.
This game will reference the first but be different at the same time.All the conduits will either be natural like Kessler or similar to Kuo (injected with stuff is what is believe to give her those powers). The game will end similarly too, with a few key differences between Good and Bad Karma.
Laura Bailey will voice someone.We've already got Troy Baker and Travis Willingham as the Rowe brothers, so the odds of Laura showing up to complete the trio are pretty high. Bonus points if her character turns out to be Reggie's wife/love interest, what with her and Travis being married and all.
- Confirmed. She does voice a character, but it seems to be Anti-Villain 'Fetch' (A Conduit with electric powers, it seems), not Reggie's love interest/wife (As far as we know, at least. This is all based on the most recent trailer)
- It's since been confirmed that Fetch has Neon powers and that she's Delsin's love interest to some extent.
Reggie is a Conduit.Given that being a Conduit is genetic, it's highly likely that he has the gene. With that in mind, the only question is how this will come into play.
- Option One) He's had powers longer than his brother, and just has been concealing them.
- Option Two) Depending on karma choices, he'll get powers due to something Delsin does, but with a horrible price, or he'll get them from the DUP, at no price beyond working with them.
- Option Three) Reggie has the exact same power as Delsin, and copies Delsin's collection of powers in time to take over as the player character.
- All Jossed, Reggie tests negative on the conduit detectors entering Seattle, so he doesn't even have the gene.
All the powers Delsin gets are going to fall under the air motifHis first power is Smoke, the air equivalent to fire, and then there's Neon, which the lighting type of the same name requires gas to be in use. It also shows how he contrasts Cole, who used Lightning an element commonly associated with Air when in relation to a sky god such as Zeus but can also be associated with fire(plasma).
- So he won't get water powers but nothing stops him from getting Vapor, he won't get Earth powers but instead gets Dust and any of the other powers goes along these lines. Nice.
- Half-confirmed. Most of the powers that Delsin can get fall under the air motif. The sole exception is Concrete, and that can be explained by the fact that it comes from Delsin's arch-foe.
The RFI Only killed Conduits that produced Ray field radiation.Cole only died because he was drained dry of electricity.
There will be a radio or wi fi power in the game .
- That kind of stuff is rather prevalent these days, true, but... how would such a power even work? Also, I don't think companies want to perpetuate the notion some people have about prevalent wifi being a harmful force, as somebody would inevitably draw on that as "evidence" for their argument.
- Confirmed, Video takes the form of technological waves and signals and allows Delsin to travel through satellites, the conduit you fight who's much more used to their power even has his own reality in an online game (which is where you fight him).
The Rowe Brothers' parents died due to the Ray Field InhibitorHearing this is followed with a se7en like karma moment.
A teenage boy with electrical powers will appear at random pointsHe'll turn out to be a clone of Cole artificially aged to his physical age. He'll also be only a half clone with the other half coming from Trish and his name will be Charles or Char for short. Char Cole.
- Jossed; no such individual ever appeared.
It will be revealed that Cole suffered a Fate Worse Than DeathThe Stinger of Infamous 2 implies that, even if Cole is dead, his body can still attract lightning. Second Son will reveal that he is being used as a power source for the DUP / antagonist.
- Or is now a being of pure electricity and basically wandering the world wherever a storm takes him or via power lines.
Cole's brother will appear at some point.Either he'll be conduit with similar powers to Cole or he'll be a minor Batman expy with his gadgets provided and created by Zeke. His and Zeke's ultimate goal will be to clear Cole's name but they'll also take the time to be Stealth Mentors to Delsin.
All Conduit powers can be used to heal the sick and wounded.With Cole, it was slightly understandable how he could heal the injured people laying in the street, since he was a human defibrillator. But Delsin simply uses his smoke powers to lift them off the ground and onto their feet. How does this work exactly? Maybe all Conduit powers, no matter what they are, are able to be used to heal others just by their nature.
- Possibly confirmed, as all of the powers Delsin copies heal people the same, not just smoke. But it may just be a case of Gameplay and Story Segregation to keep from forcing you to switch powers to heal people.
- Given that Conduits tend to have an innate Healing Factor, perhaps they also have an innate empathetic power to share a portion of that regenerative capability to others via their elemental power? Sure, it might not cure major, potentially mortal wounds like "a dozen concrete spikes embedded through your lower body", but for something like a stray bullet wound, no biggie.
DUP troops go through the same procedure as Vermaak 88.Augustine was able to reconstruct the technology and use it to begin transferring her powers to the soldiers. Once the first batch was made, the original subjects could be used as the source for more.
- Hopefully she perfected the process or they'll go crazy. Although, considering how much of a monster she is, it would be in-character if she let them go crazy to help her cause.
Sasha will appear in a DLC mission or through other means.In some informant logs as well as on the Conduit quiz online, tar is mentioned as a power used by some Conduits. While there are surely more Conduits out there with tar manipulation powers, Sasha comes to mind as one of the prominent ones (the other being Nix, who is dead.) Since we never found out where Sasha went, this seems likely to this troper.
Reggie could have survived.Reggie is covered in concrete in a very similar manner to how Hank is at the start of the game. He falls just before it starts to cover his face, but given the rate it's growing, it's extremely possible Reggie was completely covered when he hit the water. If if he was fished out quickly enough and uncovered, it's possible he could still be alive. Unlikely, but possible. And granted he would have some pretty nasty injuries from falling from such a height. As to who would do it;
- The D.U.P under Augustine's orders. Maybe she wanted to use Reggie as a bargaining tool, maybe she wanted to use him for some other reason. Either way it's possible the D.U.P were able to retrieve Reggie in time.
- Zeke. He has a network of people working with him, it's likely he and a few others were keeping an eye on Delsin, and by proxy, Reggie. When Reggie fell, either Zeke or someone in his network retrieved him from the water.
The RFI only got rid of weaker Conduits
- When Cole used the RFI, it only killed the strong conduits within a certain radius, like the Beast and Cole himself. The wave then only killed those with weak Conduit genes that only gave them weak to somewhat-strong telekinesis or other psychic powers. The Conduits who manipulate elements, like Augustine's concrete powers, or Conduits with psychic powers equal to Alden Tate's would be too strong to be killed by the RFI unless they were within the radius where the RFI effect was the strongest. It would explain why the Conduits are only described as beings who control elements despite there being Conduits in the past who had psychic powers like telekinesis.
Celia will be a main villain in Infamous 4/Second Son 2Considering Delsin put her on the path to killing normals by accident, she will have to be dealt with sometime in the future and may have to be mercy killed to stop her rampage.
- If not the main villain, at least she provides a reason for Delsin to travel to a new city in pursuit of her.
- Considering his power set at the end of the game, Las Vegas could be a good choice. Glass powers were previously mentioned, and since glass is derived from sand, the big bad could be a glass/sand Conduit. Make him a mob boss type figure and you've got your mooks, then have him surround Vegas in a sandstorm to establish the boundaries of the open world. Wrap it all up with an appropriate name (inFAMOUS: Desert Sun?), and you've got yourself a sequel.